Rooney's next Scan Brought Forward.

[ChuckleBantam]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2006/teams/england/5026922.stm

Boy wonder has had his final and desicive scan bought forward from 14th to the 7th June. Reading between the lines I'd say that the England Camp have probably decided that the news won't be good and have decided to take advantage of having the option to change the squad before the June 9th deadline.

Personally I'm resigned to the fact he won't be going and this has made me more pessimistic. I hope I'm wrong.

[bg]

I think they have eventually come to the right decision in the cool light of day; if Rooney is not going to be fit he isn't, and they might as well know sooner rather than later; a week isn't going to make any difference, the docs can make their mind up next week.

[tony d]

Maybe he isnt that badly injured and it was Manure trying to hoodwink us...Couldnt that be the reason their doc got the sack??????


It's all a conspiracy to lull the other nations into planning around Rooney not being there...

Tactics without Rooney... hahahahaha they are playing that Crouch fellow...
hahhahahahahahahha

Tactics with Rooney...Oh shit he's fit...It's a Brazil England final fellas...

[king billy]

Maybe he isnt that badly injured and it was Manure trying to hoodwink us...Couldnt that be the reason their doc got the sack??????


It's all a conspiracy to lull the other nations into planning around Rooney not being there...

Tactics without Rooney... hahahahaha they are playing that Crouch fellow...
hahhahahahahahahha

Tactics with Rooney...Oh shit he's fit...It's a Brazil England final fellas...

When we say our prayers tonight (like we all do every night) lets pray that some of that statement above could actually be true.....tup:

[robbieu]

If your theory is right we are knackered. It could be Crotch and Owen up front! Crotchy shouldnt even be on the plane and now we could be starting with the gormless lanky flatfooted twat

[Lofty]

At the last World Cup our strike force consisted of Emile Heskey.....so I think Peter Crouch is a marked improvement on that!!

[robbieu]

At the last World Cup our strike force consisted of Emile Heskey.....so I think Peter Crouch is a marked improvement on that!!


I rate them about the same mate

[tony d]

At the last World Cup our strike force consisted of Emile Heskey.....so I think Peter Crouch is a marked improvement on that!!

If Heskey goes to Blackburn as is being touted i will duely oblige bets on Heskey out scoring Crouch in the Prem...

If Johnson is fit at the start of the seaon im happy to take bets he too outscores Englands most ineffective striker...

Name your bets come August ladies....

Even if he has a blinding WC which i actually hope he does the useless git...He still will have the goal scoring credentials of a relegation striker...

Heskey scored 2 less than el lumpo woodo after missing alot of games this season , whilst playing for Brum who went down...

Heskey as others are rated on goal scoring.... Being able to pass the ball backwards as your prime asest isnt much to brag about...

So remember if Heskey moves to the prem lets see the coloiur of your cash...

Any takers on Johnson come August...????????jump: jump: jump:

[ChuckleBantam]

At the last World Cup our strike force consisted of Emile Heskey.....so I think Peter Crouch is a marked improvement on that!!

They could give Professor Steven Hawking a pair of Boots and send him to Germany and that'd be a marked improvement on that useless lump of dogcack!!

[tony d]

They could give Professor Steven Hawking a pair of Boots and send him to Germany and that'd be a marked improvement on that useless lump of dogcack!!

So Crouchy only has to beat one WC goal to be better at the biggest tournament...Shouldnt be hard should it...

"Team-mates and managers talk in almost reverential tones about Heskey's unselfishness - indeed on occasions he is simply too unselfish.

Always willing to sacrifice personal glory for the good of the team, which has occasionally brought unwarranted criticism on his head.

He can be criticised for many things, but never for putting himself ahead of the team.

Heskey's biggest weakness. Just doesn't score enough goals - either for club or country.

He has scored only five Premiership goals this season and his England record of one every eight games is not international class.

Heskey will never be a regular England goalscorer, and eventually selfless team-work alone will not be enough to save him. "

Thats why he lost his place to Rooney...






http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38078000/jpg/_38078868_heskey150.jpg

[king billy]

Heskey's problem is that although he's built like a fookin heavyweight boxer - he tackles and uses his strength like a tart!!....
If he had actually played to his physical strengths he could/should have been awesome.....unfortunately he's got about as much killer instinct and nastiness as a black Kenneth Williams!!....

Crouch's control is much better than Heskeys too - aswell as having a wasted physique, Heskey also possesses a toblerone foot and a fifty pence head!!....

What amazes me is that in the 5-1 win over Germany the England side had Heskey and Barmby in it......imagine what the score could have been had we been able to use Lampard and Rooney instead of them two.....:eek:

[Wicker Man]

IMO, Heskey is far better than crouch....he can actually head, holds the ball up well and always gives 100%, however it never worked with england (unlike club football) so he shouldn't be on the plane. But.....if the standard of footballers on the plane is that of crouch then heskey should be way ahead in the que....crouch is overrated, a pretty mediocre targetman and has a very poor goals to games ratio. This was hilighted int fa cup other week, when we saw the gulf in class between ashton and crouch. yet the lanky fucker still gets a plane seat ahead of ashton just because everyone jumps on the 'he's got a good touch for a tall lad' and 'he's a great bloke' bandwagon.

[tony d]

IMO, Heskey is far better than crouch....he can actually head, holds the ball up well and always gives 100%, however it never worked with england (unlike club football) so he shouldn't be on the plane. But.....if the standard of footballers on the plane is that of crouch then heskey should be way ahead in the que....crouch is overrated, a pretty mediocre targetman and has a very poor goals to games ratio. This was hilighted int fa cup other week, when we saw the gulf in class between ashton and crouch. yet the lanky fucker still gets a plane seat ahead of ashton just because everyone jumps on the 'he's got a good touch for a tall lad' and 'he's a great bloke' bandwagon.

Wow i have actually found another sane person not hoodwinked by reading the papers instead of watching the games...

Anybody can see Crouch isnt England material...Liverpool will soon mag to grid him......Its only a matter of time...

Thing is people will come out with nonsense if he starts and Ronney never goes.."The pressure of this and that etc" Fact is he is average...

But hey each to their own..Just makes me laugh ...

Crouch playing in a vastly superior side to Heskey when Heskey playing every game won 5 trophies and scored 22 goals...Crouch got 6 in the Prem???

In his worst season he still hit 14....

PMSL... Has a better touch hahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahaha

[ChuckleBantam]

IMO, Heskey is far better than crouch....he can actually head, holds the ball up well .

That is so far off radar it's laughable. The facts of the matter are, Heskey is shit at all those and that whilst Crouch is picked on and included in the England squad on merit, Heskey's selection was a joke. Emile Heskey is by far, the worse ever England Footballer that's ever pulled on the shirt. Fair play for him getting picked, but to get picked and show the lack of desire and committment towards what is the ultimate accolade in football was a disgrace.

I like Sven and he's done a great job, but his loyalty to Emile and a lesser extent David James is a definate blot on his tenure as manager. There's one cap and half game wonders that made the England squad that were more worthy of their caps than that pile of shit. Matt's description above is the difinitive description of Emile Heskey as a footballer.

As much as I like Crouch I can understand that some people unwilling to watch the game beyond Crouch's unique appearance could easily form a negative opinion, but one thing you can't say about Crouch is that he never stops running and never stops trying and he's enough about him to cause problems. Put that alongside Emille being dumped on his arse continuously and just getting up with that stupid non plussed half smirk that he always had on his face, before his inevitable disappearance for the rest of the game.

By all means criticise Crouch, It's your perogative, but with Crouch you will always have a chance to eat your words (which I'm sure if he gives a positive contribution to England's world cup bid, most folk will) but to use a player as uniquely innefective and completely talentless as Emile Heskey as a comparison is frankly and insult to Crouchy.

Emile Heskey was never ever going to be in a position to shove his critics words down their throats, simply because he couldn't be arsed to do so, which for an England footballer, is unforgiveable.

[Lofty]

Anybody can see Crouch isnt England material...Liverpool will soon mag to grid him......Its only a matter of time...

Agree he's not brilliant but England aren't blessed with quality strikers unfortunately.

IMO....

Defoe & Bent - far too similar to Owen.

Johnson reminds me of Phillips - quality for club but crap for country. (Hasn't had much chance but that's my thoughts of how he'd be.)

Beattie - over-rated tdwn:

Ashton - A few more years in the prem may improve him but not yet ready for international scene.

Heskey - jawdrop:

Crouch and Walcott are different to all the above and worth the gamble.

Who would you have taken??

[tony d]

The theory of little un and a big un is outdated...

Pace and power and the traits of the modern striker...A player who can also come deep and hit the wings...

Two of them are not bad things.....

Thats why we do shite in International football..

Are Ronaldo and Robinho too much alike..Their shapes may differ but they play the same way...

Henry and Cisse????

Totti Inzaghi????

Inzaghi/ Del piero???

Like for like isnt bad, its good...Just takes a bit of thought instead of just following the antiquated theory and beliefs of the older generation...

[Lofty]

Are Ronaldo and Robinho too much alike..Their shapes may differ but they play the same way...

Henry and Cisse????

Totti Inzaghi????

Inzaghi/ Del piero???


The difference being that all the above are partnerships consisting of two world class players.

I would only class Rooney and Owen as world class and with regards to the other strikers its a case of picking the best of a bad (well not world class!) bunch.

And in terms of offering something different I believe Crouch is that man.

[tony d]

And in terms of offering something different I believe Crouch is that man.

What does he offer...Not one person has convinced me he offers anything different...

No matter how some rant and rave about Bents poor one cap the fact is he is better in all departments than Crouch...

So is Ashton who out shone Crouch in the FA Cup final as many have all season...

Even Harewood offers more with his game...

Only thing Defoe doesnt bring is his heading game but Crouch is so piss poor at this it doesnt matter...

Johnson offers more in his game too

The list of better players than Crouch is quite large to say we dont have many strikers of worth according to some....

I hope he has a blinding WC...But he wont and he will still regardless of events at the world cup be aything less than a mid to relegation fodder striker...Which dont get me wrong is worthy of praise in itself but he isnt top draw and he deffo isnt England material...

Offers something different my arse...

The you only dont like him because of his shape is a joke mate...I dont care if he is Andy Reids shape as long as he can play football to the required standard..

[Wicker Man]

That is so far off radar it's laughable. The facts of the matter are, Heskey is shit at all those and that whilst Crouch is picked on and included in the England squad on merit, Heskey's selection was a joke. Emile Heskey is by far, the worse ever England Footballer that's ever pulled on the shirt. Fair play for him getting picked, but to get picked and show the lack of desire and committment towards what is the ultimate accolade in football was a disgrace.

I like Sven and he's done a great job, but his loyalty to Emile and a lesser extent David James is a definate blot on his tenure as manager. There's one cap and half game wonders that made the England squad that were more worthy of their caps than that pile of shit. Matt's description above is the difinitive description of Emile Heskey as a footballer.

As much as I like Crouch I can understand that some people unwilling to watch the game beyond Crouch's unique appearance could easily form a negative opinion, but one thing you can't say about Crouch is that he never stops running and never stops trying and he's enough about him to cause problems. Put that alongside Emille being dumped on his arse continuously and just getting up with that stupid non plussed half smirk that he always had on his face, before his inevitable disappearance for the rest of the game.

By all means criticise Crouch, It's your perogative, but with Crouch you will always have a chance to eat your words (which I'm sure if he gives a positive contribution to England's world cup bid, most folk will) but to use a player as uniquely innefective and completely talentless as Emile Heskey as a comparison is frankly and insult to Crouchy.

Emile Heskey was never ever going to be in a position to shove his critics words down their throats, simply because he couldn't be arsed to do so, which for an England footballer, is unforgiveable.

He's so crap mark hughes is prepared to ofer 3.5million for him....are you telling me mark hughes has got this one wrong? i highley doubt it after you look at whom he's brought in and how far up the table he's got them. You may have said similar things about bellamy, look at him now - being chased by many clubs after his great season....

As for your adoration of crouch its unbeliviable...he can't head, so whats the use of having him as a target man?? he has a good touch for a tall man, so what? its the mediocre touch of a average man probably plying his trade in our league so has no impact! If he played for Aston villa or some other mid-table premiership side he would hardly get a mention...i'd give him 2 years before he's a forgotten memory in some championship reserve team

[Lofty]

Offers something different my arse...

...time will tell!! And I hope I'm proved right!!

Plus if Heskey makes a return to the prem I'll gladly wager that Crouch will bag more prem goals! jump:

[ChuckleBantam]

He's so crap mark hughes is prepared to ofer 3.5million for him....are you telling me mark hughes has got this one wrong? i highley doubt it after you look at whom he's brought in and how far up the table he's got them. You may have said similar things about bellamy, look at him now - being chased by many clubs after his great season....

As for your adoration of crouch its unbeliviable...he can't head, so whats the use of having him as a target man?? he has a good touch for a tall man, so what? its the mediocre touch of a average man probably plying his trade in our league so has no impact! If he played for Aston villa or some other mid-table premiership side he would hardly get a mention...i'd give him 2 years before he's a forgotten memory in some championship reserve team

So...If Hughes (trophyless manager) rating Heskey makes you right about him. Why does Benitez and Sven, both light years ahead of Mark Hughes in their profession rating Crouch make me wrong?? That Bellamy statement is one of the biggest loads of bollocks I have ever heard. There was no risk, everybody already knew what a great player he is, he wasn't a gem that Hughes unearthed or discovered, it's just that Bellamy is a twat of a person wht he's playing somewhere like Blackburn. You ask if I think that if Hughes pays 3.5m for Heskey that he's got it wrong, then the answer would be yes, big style. Do I think Sven and Rafa are right to pick Crouch? Yes I do, he's got something to offer and performs consitently well. Crouch has yet to have a bad game for England, that is a solid fact. Heskey had two decent games in his entire England career, if that.

I don't adore Crouch at all, but I know a decent footballer when I see one and appreciate that he'd cause opposition defenders more reason to think than the same ole same ole ordinary footballers like Bent, Beattie and Johnson who any decent defender would have sussed and in their pockets just by seeing them play on Match of The Day.

Like Lofty says above, after Owen and Rooney, theres nowt World Class, so instead of taking and playing some player who's lack of anything new will keep them on the bench except in the case of dire emergencies I can see the logic in taking Crouch and Walcott for the variety and potential to cause upset and unsettle the opposition.

You say Crouch will be forgotten and in some reserve team in two years. Well I say that both Crouch and Walcott will come out of this World Cup with a lot of positive credit.

[tony d]

...time will tell!! And I hope I'm proved right!!

Plus if Heskey makes a return to the prem I'll gladly wager that Crouch will bag more prem goals! jump:

Good for you Lofty a man not scared to make an arse of himself...

Im not either... The odds are stacked in his favour of course but im more than confident a BelamyHeskey partnership will be a top draw thing..

Bump this come any transfer...

If both are fit at the off you are on mate...Goals only in the Prem count obviously due to the quality of squads etc..

But you are on...

We will talk cash if and when Heskey makes it into a squad.. Thing is i would make that bet if he went to Watford, Sheff Utd or Reading...

[ChuckleBantam]

I think Crouch'd bag more goals next season than Emile even if Heskey stays at Birmingham and that's with the eight extra games they get in the Championship.

[Lofty]

Heskey 4 goals in 34 appearances (for a poor team)

Crouch 8 goals in 32 appearances (for a decent team)

Both pretty shit returns but I'm confident. As you say, if and when Heskey gets a transfer we'll bump this back up to the top and discuss money tup:

[tony d]

I think Crouch'd bag more goals next season than Emile even if Heskey stays at Birmingham and that's with the eight extra games they get in the Championship.


Same deal Chucky...If both are fit for the start of the season i will take that bet mate..We wil chat closer to kick off re terms if are willing to back up your faith in plank of wood...

[Superfatbantam]

What does he offer...Not one person has convinced me he offers anything different....

Offers something different my arse...



I'll make a suggestion then....What he has to offer might not be what he does with the ball but what he does off the ball. He is a tall lanky player and any defence seeing him is gonna think he's a target man. They will, a la Argentina in last year's friendly, put 2 men on him, hence this will create room for Owen, Gerrard, Lampard et al. He might not take the game by the scruff of the neck but his presence alone will give the likes of Owen more space and time to do just that if they want to.

We were 2-1 down with less than 10 minutes to go against Argentina when Crouch came on, they put 2 defenders on him, cue Owen....3-2. And this tactic from someone 4th in the FIFA rankings. I believe he has something to offer.jump: tup:

[ChuckleBantam]

Same deal Chucky...If both are fit for the start of the season i will take that bet mate..We wil chat closer to kick off re terms if are willing to back up your faith in plank of wood...

I'll have some of that. We'll discuss terms after the transfer merry go round has settled down a bit.

[tony d]

I'll make a suggestion then....What he has to offer might not be what he does with the ball but what he does off the ball. He is a tall lanky player and any defence seeing him is gonna think he's a target man. They will, a la Argentina in last year's friendly, put 2 men on him, hence this will create room for Owen, Gerrard, Lampard et al. He might not take the game by the scruff of the neck but his presence alone will give the likes of Owen more space and time to do just that if they want to.

We were 2-1 down with less than 10 minutes to go against Argentina when Crouch came on, they put 2 defenders on him, cue Owen....3-2. And this tactic from someone 4th in the FIFA rankings. I believe he has something to offer.jump: tup:

We were beaten until they stripped their best players away....The point had been made way before Longshanks came in...It was Owen and the midfield who turned the game though...Nothing more..Rewatch the game...:D

[Superfatbantam]

You're an argumentative little so-and-so at the moment, t. You been taking Chuckle's pills!

I'll stand by my assessment and see what happens. And I'm big enough to admit I was wrong should he flop and do nowt at the WC.

[Yeadon Bantam]

AJ Should be at the world cup ahead of Lanky

CROUCHIGOL

[ChuckleBantam]

The Argentina game was lost until Crouch came on. That's the short and tall (see what I did there??) of it