Players you'd like to see the back of..

[Spoonhead]

I'm still fuming about Saturday and I want Todd out but I want him to take some of the deadwood with him. Personally, I wouldn't lose any sleep if Holloway,Morrison,Petta,Muirhead and Claridge were sent packing with him. There's 46 games in a season, you can't just perfom in 2 or 3.
Please feel free to add to the list of (hopefully) departee's.

[king billy]

I have to admit that i can't defend Mozza anymore - we don't need luxury's like that at the club - although i do think he's been handled wrongly - some players need a kick up the arse and some need a cuddle, he's the type who needs a cuddle....
TBH i'd have a right clear out and get rid of....

Petta,
try and cash in on Windass,
Emmanuel (how many fookin chances does he need!!)
Muirhead,
Petta,
Cadders,
Holloway,
Howarth,
Symes...

And, unless they can prove their fitness - MBW, Schueey and Kearney - we need players that will play most of the season - not Atherton wannabee's.....

[Yeadon Bantam]

Howarth, Caddas, Petta, lewis, muirhead

[Johnny Yen]

Morrison has alledgedly got two things in common with George Best

1) He's Irish

2) His drinking habits

[tony d]

Surely you wouldnt want rid of any players as a real manager will be able to change these layabouts into top players..

Only CT stands in the way of squaring these underachievers out....

[king billy]

A clean slates needed at this club from the top to the bottom - a total fresh start both behind the scenes and on the pitch IMO - and with talk of investment/a new buyer - and half the playing staffs contracts up in the summer we'll never have a better opportunity of doing so!!

[Delboy]

I have to admit that i can't defend Mozza anymore - we don't need luxury's like that at the club - although i do think he's been handled wrongly - some players need a kick up the arse and some need a cuddle, he's the type who needs a cuddle....
TBH i'd have a right clear out and get rid of....

Petta,
try and cash in on Windass,
Emmanuel (how many fookin chances does he need!!)
Muirhead,
Petta,
Cadders,
Holloway,
Howarth,
Symes...

And, unless they can prove their fitness - MBW, Schueey and Kearney - we need players that will play most of the season - not Atherton wannabee's.....

Agree with most of that but when Lewis has played left back he's been ok IMO....he's just not a midfielder or winger....I'd keep him and play him in his rightful position.:)

[Dr Wisey]

Lewis is a left back and a pretty decent one at this level - but he's been another victim of the Turd.

[Dbantx]

IMO the players are as much to blame as Todd. He should be sacked and he should take half the team with him.

[california bantam]

you all seem to slate murhead yet the away comentators rate him??

[Rick]

OUT - In no perticular order,

Caddermateri,
Holloway,
Muirhead,
Morrison,
Claridge,
Howarth,
& Symes.

Schumacher and Kearney have dipped massively since last season but just avoid the list at present.

I'm not going to say Emanuel because Turd doesn't play him in his right position of left back, that is why he has been poor.

[tony d]

Easier to say who yopu would keep...

for me it would be (kept at City)

Ricketts
Bowser
Wethers
Lewis
BMW
Schuey
Windass
Sanassy

Muirhead would get month by month..

the rest id lose no sleep over losing!:(

So no to Stew Peas but you would keep lewis???... Interesting that Baa baa bantam.... Amusingly interesting and thats only one...

[Parrot]

So no to Stew Peas but you would keep lewis???... Interesting that Baa baa bantam.... Amusingly interesting and thats only one...

I thought Stew peas was only here on a season long loan?:confused: :rolleyes:

[Barmy]

I thought Stew peas was only here on a season long loan?:confused: :rolleyes:
Indeed he is..

[Parrot]

Indeed he is..

Interesting that .... Amusingly interesting and thats only one...;) :rolleyes:

[tony d]

Interesting that .... Amusingly interesting and thats only one...;) :rolleyes:

Totally unlikely that he would be asked to stay then P... I mean why would he that could never happen.....:rolleyes:

[Bantamtim]

Out of the current squad I would keep:
Ricketts
Possibly Howarth, he has ability and is a decent shot stopper but seems to lack any confidence, especially at claiming crosses.
One of Holloway or Edghill
Emanuel (he's a decent left back for this league, not a winger though)
Bower
Stewart
Wethers
MBW
Schuey
Windass

And out of the youngsters who've played:
Forrest (give him a proper run in the team, not 10 minutes at the end of a game with the team launching it up to him...)
Penford
Swift
Colbeck
Brown
Wright
Sanasy (he deserves a chance, though I've not been totally convinced by what I've seen)

[Parrot]

Totally unlikely that he would be asked to stay then P... I mean why would he that could never happen.....:rolleyes:

Dont know T, maybe Turd will be given the choice of Stew Peas or Horrorway, then Stew peas would be on the next boat back to Jamaica faster than you could say "Cool Runnings":eek: :D

[tony d]

Dont know T, maybe Turd will be given the choice of Stew Peas or Horrorway, then Stew peas would be on the next boat back to Jamaica faster than you could say "Cool Runnings":eek: :D

Probably lol

Stew Peas if avalable to the club should be the priority close season to sign on.. He looks like he could be a quality replacement for Wethers... IMO of course...

[Parrot]

Probably lol

Stew Peas if avalable to the club should be the priority close season to sign on.. He looks like he could be a quality replacement for Wethers... IMO of course...

He's come on in leaps & bounds since his first appearance:eek: ...talk about first impressions, he looked like he couldn't even jump never mind head the ball, yet his heading seems to be one of his strong points now.
He's definately out of the Parrot school of defending, ie if it moves kick it;) lol

[tony d]

Funny Trigger!!:rolleyes:

Have you seen the full squad play yet??

Or by way of points = trigger + football talk = bollox, have you decided that Stu
Peas is our new best player??

If he looks good doesnt that tell you something??

I rate Stew Peas Baaaa baaa ... By your comments are you trying to say he is shite????...

Go on be brave make an original claim... Go on....Try it!!!! stop being a follower flossie...

baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..

BTW reading your posts makes it strange that you have seen the squad play...

[tony d]

Who am i following Trigger??

I was calling for Todds head long before anyone else on here having spotted his incompetence early!!

And i spotted your likeness to 'only fools' finest first!!

What or who do i follow??

Pleeeeeeeease!!!!!!


BAAAA BAAAA BAAAAA BAAAA BAAAA

[Spoonhead]

A clean slates needed at this club from the top to the bottom - a total fresh start both behind the scenes and on the pitch IMO - and with talk of investment/a new buyer - and half the playing staffs contracts up in the summer we'll never have a better opportunity of doing so!!


100% agree with that post. Just hope we stay up now by some miracle.


BTW, if we go down will we be the first club to drop fom the premiership down to the lowest ebb of league football?

[ChuckleBantam]

This thread could be taken seriously, but for the amount of "this squad should be top six" posters now saying that 99% of the players are shit!!

*SHAKES HEAD*

[Jantje]

i think we've been caught out by the lack of depth and quality in the squad brought about by various circumstances we all know about

[ChuckleBantam]

i think we've been caught out by the lack of depth and quality in the squad brought about by various circumstances we all know about

But theres not one perm of eleven players that are anywhere near top six in quality. I admit to being a bit shocked at how close to relegation we are right now, but it was always going to be a scrap for points given the team the management and the circumstances. Everything about this football club is "Make Do" and "Make Do" never breeds success.

[Jantje]

Jr & Todds play off talk was always pie in the sky. Idid expect somewhere between maybe eighth and 12th though, we over achieved last year and people got carried away

[king billy]

The squad we had at the start of the season - fully fit was definately a top six squad.....i don't back away from my previous statements......however...lack of form, injuries, bad tactics, bizarre loanings out, and a totally incompetant manager has put paid to that specacurlarly - the shite which has beaten us this season and are now sitting pretty above us prove this!!
Whilst the basis of our squad is good - there's no point in keeping hold of anyone we don't have to, its the nearest thing any potential new manager has of a fresh start - that has to be good!!

[Rick]

The squad we had at the start of the season - fully fit was definately a top six squad.....i don't back away from my previous statements......however...lack of form, injuries, bad tactics, bizarre loanings out, and a totally incompetant manager has put paid to that specacurlarly - the shite which has beaten us this season and are now sitting pretty above us prove this!!
Whilst the basis of our squad is good - there's no point in keeping hold of anyone we don't have to, its the nearest thing any potential new manager has of a fresh start - that has to be good!!

At the end of the day our squad may not be top 6 but it is better than 4 home wins in 18 no matter what anyone says.

Too many times this season I have been frustrated at watching city play decent football away from home only to follow it up with complete rubbish at home infront of the people who pay their wages.

[Delboy]

Jr & Todds play off talk was always pie in the sky. Idid expect somewhere between maybe eighth and 12th though, we over achieved last year and people got carried away


Most fans agreed that, on paper, we have a squad capable of 'worrying' the top six....there are many reasons that we have failed to realise any potential on that score, the chief one being a tactically incompetent management duo, together with the dramatic loss of form of Schuey and Muirhead(less), the injuries to MBW and Kearney and the indisipline of Wideass. All have contributed to our prediciment. In a couple of away games we have lived up to potential but lack of consistancy has been the key and in no small part that can be laid at the door of management team for messing with the team and positions.

[ChuckleBantam]

The squad we had at the start of the season - fully fit was definately a top six squad

Like who?? Even in August. Midway was the best we were going to get. As far as I can see, we've not shipped any players out that you didn't say or let others convince you were crap. Out of all that's gone the only ones I'd say should be first teamers now are Cooke and Crooks. Even the biggest Crooks critics mmust be shocked at the leightweights in our midfield. and even if we'd kept hold of the players we shipped out, theres noone that would have contributed anything to a higher league position and certainly noone that would turn this shower of shit into a top six squad.

Then we still have the costant clinging onto the hopes that the likes of Shuey, Kearney, Muirhead and Forrest are vital players, they're not they're shit, even when one of our so called best players last season Schumacher was never better than average in the scheme of things.

I agree with one thing, with all the contracts up, it is a perfect opportunity for a clean sweep, but I'd have happily seen the same sweep last close season because they wer never going to offer better than what we ended up with.

[Jantje]

The club probably were'nt in a position last year for such a clean break contract wise but they are this year and must take advantage of it

[ChuckleBantam]

The club probably were'nt in a position last year for such a clean break contract wise but they are this year and must take advantage of it

I never said that, I said I'd have been happy for them to have done so, because they were never and never will be a top six squad of players.

[baldbantam]

Unless they actually have a fresh stack of money coming in to finance a promotion push then resign yourself to the fact that what you've seen this season is about what you'll see next year as well. The players we have are average players for this division.

Finance wise, we are a midtable club in this division, and guess what, we are in midtable.

We are performing to reasonable expectations, given the resources available. Unless the level of those resources change, we will get similar performances and similar players in.

[Rick]

We are performing to reasonable expectations

The worst home record in the divison is a reasonable expectation is it?

[Delboy]

We are performing to reasonable expectations, given the resources available. Unless the level of those resources change, we will get similar performances and similar players in.

Well I'd like to see what another manager would do with those resources by playing the correct formations, playing players in position, playing attacking football and getting rid of 'can't be arsed, only here for the money' wasters!!!

[baldbantam]

The worst home record in the divison is a reasonable expectation is it?

But that's only half the story. The full story is 15th in the division. Midtable. Where we expect to be. You can't just judge a manager on half the performances.

Home performances have been disappointing, no doubt about that, but that's the luck factor creeping in. The games where the ball has bounced our way this season have been away rather than at home. That might change next season, or it may not.

[Rick]

But that's only half the story. The full story is 15th in the division. Midtable. Where we expect to be. You can't just judge a manager on half the performances.

Home performances have been disappointing, no doubt about that, but that's the luck factor creeping in. The games where the ball has bounced our way this season have been away rather than at home. That might change next season, or it may not.

It's the home crowd that pay the players wages, it's the home form that sells season and match tickets, it's the home form that keeps the fans happy.

It's the home form that most fans see. It's at home where the players have more often than not just trotted round uninterested and not giving a toss.

Todd has admitted he doesn't have a clue why we are so bad at home, maybe it's time someone else was given the chance to try put it right.

[ChuckleBantam]

It's the home crowd that pay the players wages, it's the home form that sells season and match tickets, it's the home form that keeps the fans happy.

It's the home form that most fans see. It's at home where the players have more often than not just trotted round uninterested and not giving a toss.

Todd has admitted he doesn't have a clue why we are so bad at home, maybe it's time someone else was given the chance to try put it right.

I'm not disputing that there is someone elsewhere that will do better than Todd with em. But I don't think for a minute theres any manager anywhere in the world that could get em into the top six and keep em there.

[Rick]

I'm not disputing that there is someone elsewhere that will do better than Todd with em. But I don't think for a minute theres any manager anywhere in the world that could get em into the top six and keep em there.

I wasn't arguing with yourself, I was replying to Baldy ;)

I wouldn't really argue much with what you posted in that quote anyway.

[ChuckleBantam]

I wasn't arguing with yourself, I was replying to Baldy ;)

I know and I thought I'd lend my support in the sense, that without new backing, whoever is in charge of first team affairs next season will only have the same shit pool to fish in as todd, so Junior isn't going to stump up 500k plus in compo for a like for like appointment as much as we'd want that to happen.

Another scenario, if and it's still if, the mystery backer(s) come in or even exist in the first place, don't forget we won't be talking investment of Abramovich proprtions. Several Million, can be read as owt between three and 999 million quid. It's likely to be at the lower end of the scale, so lets throw in a ball park figure of say , 5 million. Half a million quid in compo for Todd and Davison, then the new guy's salary on top is going to leave a big hole in that money, especially if repurchasing the ground is also a priority too. Which means that even with substantial investment, I wouldn't expect instant success or even Todds departure being set in stone..

[baldbantam]

It's the home crowd that pay the players wages, it's the home form that sells season and match tickets, it's the home form that keeps the fans happy.

It's the home form that most fans see. It's at home where the players have more often than not just trotted round uninterested and not giving a toss.

Todd has admitted he doesn't have a clue why we are so bad at home, maybe it's time someone else was given the chance to try put it right.

And if it was as easy as that, great. But it's not. Todd has a contract, and it will cost money to get rid of him. More money than is liable to be lost from stay away fans.

[Shipley Bantam]

But that's only half the story. The full story is 15th in the division. Midtable. Where we expect to be. You can't just judge a manager on half the performances.

Home performances have been disappointing, no doubt about that, but that's the luck factor creeping in. The games where the ball has bounced our way this season have been away rather than at home. That might change next season, or it may not.

That's rubbish Baldy, we've won 4 home games this season, that's pathetic. You're saying we've been unlucky in the other 14 (approx) games? Not to mention the previous 4 seasons.

Our league position is false, we may be 15th in the league yet we're only 4 pts from the relegation zones, in a 'normal' season we'd be much lower in the table.

Todds had his chance and got it wrong, it's time for him to go.

[baldbantam]

That's rubbish Baldy, we've won 4 home games this season, that's pathetic. You're saying we've been unlucky in the other 14 (approx) games? Not to mention the previous 4 seasons.

Our league position is false, we may be 15th in the league yet we're only 4 pts from the relegation zones, in a 'normal' season we'd be much lower in the table.

Todds had his chance and got it wrong, it's time for him to go.

We haven't been unlucky in all 14 of them, but if we'd have won perhaps 3 of the ones that were draws you'd be looking at a different picture - one where we were already safe and the home form looked a sight better. Last season those draws were wins, and there is an element of luck in that.

We are where we are. And it's a truer reflection of our abilities than last seasons upwards blip.

[Delboy]

We haven't been unlucky in all 14 of them, but if we'd have won perhaps 3 of the ones that were draws you'd be looking at a different picture - one where we were already safe and the home form looked a sight better. Last season those draws were wins, and there is an element of luck in that.

We are where we are. And it's a truer reflection of our abilities than last seasons upwards blip.

I honestly can't remember a game that we have drawn at home where it could be said we were unlucky or even deserved to win:(

[baldbantam]

I honestly can't remember a game that we have drawn at home where it could be said we were unlucky or even deserved to win:(

Probably not. But sometimes you get games where you are the worst team and still fluke the win come the final whistle. That happened a few times last season, and it hasn't happened this.

[Delboy]

Probably not. But sometimes you get games where you are the worst team and still fluke the win come the final whistle. That happened a few times last season, and it hasn't happened this.

But you can't base your season on Murphy's law:D :D

[Rick]

We haven't been unlucky in all 14 of them, but if we'd have won perhaps 3 of the ones that were draws you'd be looking at a different picture - one where we were already safe and the home form looked a sight better. Last season those draws were wins, and there is an element of luck in that.

We are where we are. And it's a truer reflection of our abilities than last seasons upwards blip.

Out of our home wins we deserved to beat MK Dons, Walsall and Chesterfield, We were lucky to beat Gillingham.

Out of our home draws we deserved to draw against, Yeovil, Colchester, Barnsley, Swansea and Tranmere.
We were lucky to draw with Brentford and Bristol, both we should of lost.
We were unlucky to draw with Swindon and deserved to win.

Out of our home defeats we deserved to lose against, Southend, Bournemouth, Huddersfield, Hartlepool, Rotherham and Oldham, we didn't deserve anything more in any of them and weren't unlucky.

So out of all the games we have got my points in my opinon than we deserved, and we have been lucky to get some of those points which is say something.

Would anyone not agree with what I have posted?

[Delboy]

Out of our home wins we deserved to beat MK Dons, Walsall and Chesterfield, We were lucky to beat Gillingham.

Out of our home draws we deserved to draw against, Yeovil, Colchester, Barnsley, Swansea and Tranmere.
We were lucky to draw with Brentford and Bristol, both we should of lost.
We were unlucky to draw with Swindon and deserved to win.

Out of our home defeats we deserved to lose against, Southend, Bournemouth, Huddersfield, Hartlepool, Rotherham and Oldham, we didn't deserve anything more in any of them and weren't unlucky.

So out of all the games we have got my points in my opinon than we deserved, and we have been lucky to get some of those points which is say something.

Would anyone not agree with what I have posted?


Can't remember....I was asleep!:D

[Rick]

I just drink 12 cups of coffee before the game and sip on a can of red bull during it so make sure I stay awake.

[Delboy]

I just drink 12 cups of coffee before the game and sip on a can of red bull during it so make sure I stay awake.

Nah!!...if I was at home there would be the telly blaring out, the dog and cat fighting... and the kids playing hip-hop or megadeath on their hi-fi's....it's just nice to be able to go down to VP for some peace and quiet and forty winks!:D