Weathers....

[Wicker Man]

i will get slaughtered for this, but here goes....

he's a crap captain imo,

when we were 1-0 downdid he encourage the team, did he give out any instructions? NO

when we were 2-0 downdid he encourage the team, did he give out any instructions? NO

when we were 3-0 downdid he encourage the team, did he give out any instructions? Yes, but it was a simple clap and uninspiring 'come on lads'

When we scored our first did he tell the team to press up? NO. Its not just todds responsibility to make all the decisions, weathers should take some upon himself and tell the rest of 'his' defense not to pump it up long to the big man upfront

We should be pressing for a second, instead we're just passing it around in there half, doing fuck all, narrow as owt and about as penatrating as pea. what does weathers do? goes upfront for the last 10 mins. what good does that do? we already have a 10foot striker up there - which the defense had undercontrol easilly, then as a result of this its a 3 on 2 situation at the back which holloway cocks up and they score there fourth

Over the last few weeks he's also made some mistakes and seemed instable yet he seems immune from criticism.

the man has scored some important goals this season and is a true gent but he's not captain material and those that say he should be manager are taking the piss

[Dr Wisey]

I think to be honest he's just as pissed off with matters as we all are and could not raise himself yesterday .
I won't doubt his commitment as that has been proven already , but working with a cretin like CT must surely sap anyone's morale !

[tony d]

I think to be honest he's just as pissed off with matters as we all are and could not raise himself yesterday .
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bollox Wisey....

His job is to lead ON the pitch... If he doesnt do that then what use is he ...Works both ways... Some touted him for the top job too..

Play for the shirt and all that...

My point week in week out is that we have too many who use things as an excuse and our failings on the pitch are down to the squad failing to give 100% each week...

Shit manager is no excuse to just sack it on the park then play like demons for contracts when new ones arrive, only to just sack it again when you have had enough of the new one!!!

[Dr Wisey]

nope you are talking bollox today - I'd defy anyone not to feel sapped of morale under the management of CT . It was plain to see yesterday that he has lost the respect of most of the players .
Wethers did nothing wrong yesterday that i recall , but the whold body language of the team told a story.

[gaza75]

I think the players we have counted on are struggling now there's only so much you can do when only 50% of the team have there heart in the job.Some one needs to come in a turf the crap out of this club and that man is not Colin Todd he keeps picking players who have not the heart to play in the Claret and Amber
Claridge does not even train with the team what good is he
Morrison he has done it in patches he has had his chances not up to it
Muirhead runs around around like an headless chicken without any end product
Wilbraham does not train with us does not look the part and know better than Andy Cooke
Windass does not know how to shut his fucking trap how costly is his ban to us now
to put it another way most of that squad are not up to it

i could go on and on but for a start if Todd is still in charge come the time Windass is back then he should recall Andy Cooke at least something happens when these two play together

[coley]

Wether's isn't to blame for the rest of the teams lack of desire and quality,we've only got a handful of half desent players the rest shouldn't even be playing sunday league football.

[NorthernMonkey]

i will get slaughtered for this, but here goes....

he's a crap captain imo,

when we were 1-0 downdid he encourage the team, did he give out any instructions? NO

when we were 2-0 downdid he encourage the team, did he give out any instructions? NO

when we were 3-0 downdid he encourage the team, did he give out any instructions? Yes, but it was a simple clap and uninspiring 'come on lads'

When we scored our first did he tell the team to press up? NO. Its not just todds responsibility to make all the decisions, weathers should take some upon himself and tell the rest of 'his' defense not to pump it up long to the big man upfront

We should be pressing for a second, instead we're just passing it around in there half, doing fuck all, narrow as owt and about as penatrating as pea. what does weathers do? goes upfront for the last 10 mins. what good does that do? we already have a 10foot striker up there - which the defense had undercontrol easilly, then as a result of this its a 3 on 2 situation at the back which holloway cocks up and they score there fourth

Over the last few weeks he's also made some mistakes and seemed instable yet he seems immune from criticism.

the man has scored some important g



YES YOU WILL, THAT IS THE BIGGEST LOAD OF SHITE I'VE READ SINCE JIMMYS LAST 'I AM THE MAN' POST. PMSL!

[Wicker Man]

YES YOU WILL, THAT IS THE BIGGEST LOAD OF SHITE I'VE READ SINCE JIMMYS LAST 'I AM THE MAN' POST. PMSL!

Ok then, when this season have you seen him orchestrating ongoings on the pitch?
when have you seen him given words of encouragment apart from a uninspiring 'come on lads'
he always complains to the ref, regardless, even if the decision was wrong, in some ways he's like windass :eek:

All i'm saying is that he aint tha angel and captain marvel all you make him out to be...he's an aging central defender who is starting slow down his career and it could be at the cost of Bradford City

We need leaders on the pitch, not just off it, however at bradford city we currently have no-one. The only player who's looked like developing a team spirit amongst the players is stewart...
Often you see teams in a huddle at the start of the match, playing for each other. city don't do this...why? i don't know, but weathers has to take some of the responsibilty...

[Dr Wisey]

so having a huddle cuddle before kick off will bring the results in then ? , rubbish .
I'll say it again - players like Wetehrs are sick and tirefd of carrying other players through games and its caught up now - the game on saturday told a story of a club where the manager has lost the respect of most of the squad and a coach who might as well not be there - and a loud mouth striker still getting paid for doing fook all and luvving it up as a radio guest.

[Superfatbantam]

It depoends what type of captain you want. A leader by example, a shouter, a motivator, a cool and collected calm in all situations leader, or someone the crowd can appreciate because they see him give someone a rollicking or they hear geeing up the team.

Wethers for me is a professional, does his job, encourages the younger ones and gets on with it. Look at the development of some of the central defenders who have played with him in recent years - Andy O'Brien and Mark Bower the most obvious, and I'd argue Stewart is growing in confidence having played alongside him now for a while. He is calm and collected, the only time I saw him angry on Saturday was when he was bundled into the advertising boards by Paul Warne, who had got away with murder in terms of diving and niggly little pushes all day.

We don't know what happens in the dressing room and for all we know he is the loudest man in there giving the team talk. He doesn't do it on the pitch because that isn't his style. He isn't a showman, a loud-mouth, a wannabe. He's done it, been there and got the T-shirt in terms of playing - he is committed to the cause, dedicated, loyal and a true ambassador for City, and this is a man who played for our friends east of Pudsey.

He should not have to galvanise Windass, Claridge, Wilbrahim, MBW et al. They are picked for a reason - they have a job to do so do it.

Do not lay the blame at Wethers' door, he for me has been outstanding in the face of extreme adversity all season. We have one of the best defensive records in the division - he has played no small part in that. Perhaps it would be more interesting to look at the leadership skills of those up front or at least at how much responsibility they are taking. It's al;right for lardass to shout his mouth off, slag off his own team mates on radio, get his team in the shit by being stupid and having a go at a ref in the car park after the game - what does that do for the team? What example is that? If any of the kids at City are looking for a role model then Wethers is your man, and I hope the likes of Colbeck, Penford, Swift, Brown, Bentham, Denvers, L O'brien, Morgan and the rest of the youth team look at him and think that's how I want to play.

The case for the defence rests.

[NorthernMonkey]

It depoends what type of captain you want. A leader by example, a shouter, a motivator, a cool and collected calm in all situations leader, or someone the crowd can appreciate because they see him give someone a rollicking or they hear geeing up the team.

Wethers for me is a professional, does his job, encourages the younger ones and gets on with it. Look at the development of some of the central defenders who have played with him in recent years - Andy O'Brien and Mark Bower the most obvious, and I'd argue Stewart is growing in confidence having played alongside him now for a while. He is calm and collected, the only time I saw him angry on Saturday was when he was bundled into the advertising boards by Paul Warne, who had got away with murder in terms of diving and niggly little pushes all day.

We don't know what happens in the dressing room and for all we know he is the loudest man in there giving the team talk. He doesn't do it on the pitch because that isn't his style. He isn't a showman, a loud-mouth, a wannabe. He's done it, been there and got the T-shirt in terms of playing - he is committed to the cause, dedicated, loyal and a true ambassador for City, and this is a man who played for our friends east of Pudsey.

He should not have to galvanise Windass, Claridge, Wilbrahim, MBW et al. They are picked for a reason - they have a job to do so do it.

Do not lay the blame at Wethers' door, he for me has been outstanding in the face of extreme adversity all season. We have one of the best defensive records in the division - he has played no small part in that. Perhaps it would be more interesting to look at the leadership skills of those up front or at least at how much responsibility they are taking. It's al;right for lardass to shout his mouth off, slag off his own team mates on radio, get his team in the shit by being stupid and having a go at a ref in the car park after the game - what does that do for the team? What example is that? If any of the kids at City are looking for a role model then Wethers is your man, and I hope the likes of Colbeck, Penford, Swift, Brown, Bentham, Denvers, L O'brien, Morgan and the rest of the youth team look at him and think that's how I want to play.

The case for the defence rests.


Spot on SFB. Plus you saved me typing out a reply for A bantams soul. :D

[Superfatbantam]

Oh, I forgot to say he's also scored 5 goals this season, think that might put him joint second behind Windass? I cannot praise the guy enough.

[briggus]

It depoends what type of captain you want. A leader by example, a shouter, a motivator, a cool and collected calm in all situations leader, or someone the crowd can appreciate because they see him give someone a rollicking or they hear geeing up the team.

Wethers for me is a professional, does his job, encourages the younger ones and gets on with it. Look at the development of some of the central defenders who have played with him in recent years - Andy O'Brien and Mark Bower the most obvious, and I'd argue Stewart is growing in confidence having played alongside him now for a while. He is calm and collected, the only time I saw him angry on Saturday was when he was bundled into the advertising boards by Paul Warne, who had got away with murder in terms of diving and niggly little pushes all day.

We don't know what happens in the dressing room and for all we know he is the loudest man in there giving the team talk. He doesn't do it on the pitch because that isn't his style. He isn't a showman, a loud-mouth, a wannabe. He's done it, been there and got the T-shirt in terms of playing - he is committed to the cause, dedicated, loyal and a true ambassador for City, and this is a man who played for our friends east of Pudsey.

He should not have to galvanise Windass, Claridge, Wilbrahim, MBW et al. They are picked for a reason - they have a job to do so do it.

Do not lay the blame at Wethers' door, he for me has been outstanding in the face of extreme adversity all season. We have one of the best defensive records in the division - he has played no small part in that. Perhaps it would be more interesting to look at the leadership skills of those up front or at least at how much responsibility they are taking. It's al;right for lardass to shout his mouth off, slag off his own team mates on radio, get his team in the shit by being stupid and having a go at a ref in the car park after the game - what does that do for the team? What example is that? If any of the kids at City are looking for a role model then Wethers is your man, and I hope the likes of Colbeck, Penford, Swift, Brown, Bentham, Denvers, L O'brien, Morgan and the rest of the youth team look at him and think that's how I want to play.

The case for the defence rests.

I agree with what you articulate SFB. I also think he has the potential to be a good manager. Alongside him on the pitch and as an assistant manager he needs " the loud motivator" and then we would have the best of both worlds.

[Superfatbantam]

I agree with what you articulate SFB. I also think he has the potential to be a good manager. Alongside him on the pitch and as an assistant manager he needs " the loud motivator" and then we would have the best of both worlds.

I agree and for what it's worth no matter how much of a loud-mouth he is I think Windass has enormous respect for Wetherall. Maybe there's a niche for him. I wouldn't want Windass as Manager but maybe as the sergeant major role to the able Lieutenant (I'm sure tony d will correct my ranks if they're wrong but you get my drift I hope!).