Carrick?

[Parrot]

Thought he played well tonight, protecting the back four & pinging passes around, surely he's gotta be on the plane to Deutschland?

[Barmy]

Aye he had a good game, not afraid of wantin the ball and some good passing. Gives the option of playin in the 'holding role' if he does go..

[Spoonhead]

he had a good game but he'll be lucky to feature in the 1st XI. who do you drop from beckham,cole,lampard or gerrard?!

[Parrot]

he had a good game but he'll be lucky to feature in the 1st XI. who do you drop from beckham,cole,lampard or gerrard?!

I think in some games we cant afford to play Gerrard & Lampard together, we need a more natural defensive midfielder like Carrick or King.
Sometimes you have got to drop a good player for an inferior one to get the right balance IMO

[Spoonhead]

yeah but which one!?

[ChuckleBantam]

yeah but which one!?

If I hade to make the choice it'd be Gerrard playing the so called "holding role", he'd do it well, no problem, then you don't have to drop any of em. Then if any were unavailable, it'd be King playing it before Carrick if it were up to me.

Carrick did prove himsen worthy of a place in the squad tonight though.

[Shipley Bantam]

it'd be King playing it before Carrick if it were up to me.



Thanks fook it's not! :eek: :eek:

[ChuckleBantam]

Yeah, cos King has played shit when he's played there before hasn't he?

Go stalk someone else BandP you're making me uneasy now.

[Shipley Bantam]

Oh yeah out come my cyberstalker tendencies again PMSL, aint my fault you talk so much shit and I want to put across my view, shocking I know, what with it being a football message board an all :rolleyes:

If I were to pick one out of the two of Carrick and King to play the 'holding role' theres no way King should be played in front of Carrick IMO and I'm sure many other people would say the same. Yes fair enough King performed perfectly well against Poland but would he do as well against the 'big boys'? I aint so sure. Carrick plays week in week out in the holding role for Tottenham (not King) and has proved he is good enough when given the numerous chances in England friendlies. Ive got a feeling King could get caught out a little with the movement of the better sides as it isn't his natural position and he hasn't had enough paying time in that position. If King is to play it should be in his natual centre half position but he's got fook all chance of that happening unless we have some serious injury problems.

[ChuckleBantam]

Whilst Carrick is an unknown quantity at international level, you should go with the experienced and proven performer until that proven performer makes an error to justify his exclusion. Just because YOU think (and to be honest, the way you come across, you know fuck all) King might get caught out doesn't give grounds to drop someone does it? Besides, the Poland game was a must win (or at least must draw) competitive international not a meaningless warm up against Uruguay. That's the criteria I'd use to judge the quality of a performance.

Game, set and match ChuckleBantam, I believe.

[Shipley Bantam]

*shakes head in disbelief and leaves Chuckle to his dreamworld*

[Superfatbantam]

Chucks, I love the way you shoot the other guy's argument down in flames by telling them they know nothing! It's a game of opinions and sometimes they may differ!

I mean if you really want I could suggest Rio moves up into the holding role and Terry and Campbell/Woodgate/Carragher play at the back. But then I'd be talking out of my ar........

[ChuckleBantam]

Chucks, I love the way you shoot the other guy's argument down in flames by telling them they know nothing! It's a game of opinions and sometimes they may differ!

I mean if you really want I could suggest Rio moves up into the holding role and Terry and Campbell/Woodgate/Carragher play at the back. But then I'd be talking out of my ar........


I also point out why with a good reasoned argument, not some bollocks about dreamworlds because I have no coherent arguments after being proven wrong.

You would be talking out of your arse btw. Rio has not played in the holding role for England. He's played it twice for Man Yoo. Once against lower league opposition in the cup, where he looked ok. He was tried the following game in the PL and made to look a cnut. To be honest given the better form of others for club and country this season. You wouldn't be talking out of your arse if you suggested Rio didn't even start for England.

[Superfatbantam]

Your last line would be closer to what my head would have said!

I thought Rio was the worst player on the park, and has been carried by the likes of Terry for a number of games.

[ChuckleBantam]

Your last line would be closer to what my head would have said!

I thought Rio was the worst player on the park, and has been carried by the likes of Terry for a number of games.

He's always been a tad overated has Rio. If you go back to the qualifiers for Japan/Korea 2002 the majority of the goals England conceded in that qualifying campaign can be traced back to a misplaced pass, losing in posession, being flat on his arse etc from Ferdinand. Of course he had a great tournement and improved slightly at international level after his move to Old Trafford.

He's never been the Mr Reliable that JT, Sol, Woodgate King or Carragher are. Thing is with Rio, he's a good defender but not as a good an all round footballer that HE thinks he is, that's why he's often caught napping halfway up the pitch and so many of his more adventurous passes go amiss. Plus a centre half who seems relectant to the point of being frightened of heading the ball is not an asset in any level of football.

Defenders should concentrate on defending first and foremost, Rio seems to be under the impression there is more tthan merely defending to his game, when there is definitley not.

[Rick]

He's never been the Mr Reliable that JT, Sol, Woodgate King or Carragher are.

The only thing Woodgate is reliable to be is injured, you can always count on him to be in the physio room. Just like Darren Anderton the lad has bags of potential if he only could stay fit.

[Superfatbantam]

Great point, add to that that it is blatantly obvious he feels he has something to prove and is constantly trying to impress. It's as if he cannot conquer the demons in his own head and his paranoia has taken over, meaning he is destined to fail cos he is trying to do what he cannot do. make sense, no, thought not!

Someone needs to tell him to get back to basics, forget trying to go past people, picking out a 50-yard cross-field defence-splitter (geez, how many hyphenated words can I get in!), dribbling out of danger, just hoof it, lay it off, clear it or clatter him. End of. Do that, keep a clean one and you've done your job. Of course it's a bonus if you chip in at the other end, but only from corners and free kicks.

[ChuckleBantam]

The only thing Woodgate is reliable to be is injured, you can always count on him to be in the physio room. Just like Darren Anderton the lad has bags of potential if he only could stay fit.

The debate is about ON the pitch, not OFF it, otherwise we could question Rio's reliability when it comes to "remembering" who's turn it is to take a random drug test when the testers from the F.A arrive unnanounced on a Monday morning. Then we could also question his integrity as to why he "forgot" to see them after he was picked couldn't we??