4 points from safety, having played a game more!!

[king billy]

We ARE in a relegation battle folks - believe it....time for all of us to smell the coffee!!

Had a quick look who the teams below us have got for their game in hand and were in big trouble!!

Even you "head in the sanders" who believe the finances are rosy must surely see the magnitude of what could happen should we get relegated!!

IMO we will not get rid of Todd before the end of the season, weve left it too late to fook him off, it should have been done 3/4 months ago - therefore everyone of us needs to get behind the TEAM!! Relegation is not an option, otherwise the already precarious financial position will spell the certain end of this club!!

[Mallorcabantam]

City are still 12th, there are a lot of other clubs looking over their shoulders -- true a game in hand is a big 3 points -- but to get them they have to win -- not as easy as it sounds in the div. this year -- as the Swans found last night

[Dr Wisey]

and we play one of them next Mallorca , Bristol City at VP - lose that one or another draw and the drop will come nearer.
We do need to get behind the team 100% , and leave the festering turd to one side - the club is more important than one man - forward into battle brothers and sisters - you are needed at VP on Saturday if at all possible.
The exiled Bantams and those unable to make it should create a positive vibe and chant on the chat room for 90 minutes.
3 points is a must on Saurday , another draw or loss and agggggggghhhhhh

[king billy]

and we play one of them next Mallorca , Bristol City at VP - lose that one or another draw and the drop will come nearer.
We do need to get behind the team 100% , and leave the festering turd to one side - the club is more important than one man

Spot on, oh Wise(y) one!!....

[Rick]

Tuesday the 6th Decemeber.

Bradford were 12 points clear of Bristol City who were in a relegation battle.

Today

Bradford are 3 points clear of Bristol City who can close that to Zero if they beat us on Saturday.

The major difference is that they have known for a while they are in a relegation scrap, Bradford City don't seem to have realised that yet.

I'm worried about Saturday's game, if we lose which is possible we then face 5 games without Deano Windass many against teams directly below us.

MK Dons, Blackpool, Bournemouth and Walsall are all 6 pointers we play without Deano.

We are in a relegation battle and to quote from Snatch,

Todd ,'The Tit', is praying. And if he isn't he fucking should be. (Todd replaces Tommy;))

[Mallorcabantam]

and we play one of them next Mallorca , Bristol City at VP - lose that one or another draw and the drop will come nearer.
We do need to get behind the team 100% , and leave the festering turd to one side - the club is more important than one man - forward into battle brothers and sisters - you are needed at VP on Saturday if at all possible.
The exiled Bantams and those unable to make it should create a positive vibe and chant on the chat room for 90 minutes.
3 points is a must on Saurday , another draw or loss and agggggggghhhhhh

Right I'll start to practice my chanting now ---- COME ON CiTYYYYYYYyyyyyy

[Dr Wisey]

good stuff :-) !

[baldbantam]

On current form we are going to be safe this season, but probably only just.

Over the last 10 matches we have won 2, drawn 6 and only lost 2. That's 12 points, or 1.2 points per match. And it hasn't been Windass who has been getting the points for us - he's been on a goal drought just recently.

We are on 41 points with 13 games left. At 1.2 points per game that sees us finishing with 57 points.

Currently the 4th from bottom place is held by Wallsall, who have 37 points from 32 games - that's 1.15 points per game and would see them finishing on 53 points.

54 points needed to be sure of safety I reckon - that's another 13 points from the 13 games left. We haven't at any time this season had a 10 match run where we averaged less than a point a game.

I'm not saying it's good to watch, and we aren't going to be as comfortably far ahead as I would like, but I think it extremely unlikely we will be relegated this season.

[Superfatbantam]

On current form we are going to be safe this season, but probably only just.

Over the last 10 matches we have won 2, drawn 6 and only lost 2. That's 12 points, or 1.2 points per match. And it hasn't been Windass who has been getting the points for us - he's been on a goal drought just recently.

We are on 41 points with 13 games left. At 1.2 points per game that sees us finishing with 57 points.

Currently the 4th from bottom place is held by Wallsall, who have 37 points from 32 games - that's 1.15 points per game and would see them finishing on 53 points.

54 points needed to be sure of safety I reckon - that's another 13 points from the 13 games left. We haven't at any time this season had a 10 match run where we averaged less than a point a game.

I'm not saying it's good to watch, and we aren't going to be as comfortably far ahead as I would like, but I think it extremely unlikely we will be relegated this season.

Statisticians, you can't beat em can you!

[B_i_N]

Statisticians, you can't beat em can you!

I once did a statistic course at universtiy. Not being the mathematical type I must admit I was shocked at just how accurate they can be. It therefore comes as no surprise that big business invests a lot of money in them.

[Rick]

Last 10 games

Team, Score, Goalscorers

Walsall, 2-0, Bridge-Wilkinson & Petta
Scunthorpe, 0-0
Brentford, 3-3, Bridge-Wilkinson x2 & Wetherall
Chesterfield, 0-1
Swansea, 1-1, Deano
Yeovil, 1-0, Deano
Tranmere, 0-0
Colchester, 1-3, Deano
Swindon, 1-1, Deano
Swansea, 1-1, Wetherhall

Thats 12 points in 10 games.

Take out Deano and that 12 points falls to 8 points.

There is no guarantee we are going to score at least 1 point a game till the end of the season. If Walsall win on Saturday and City lose the gap becomes 1 point, now there are plenty of other teams involved below us but the risk of relegation is there even if it is unlikely. I bet Wimbledon thought they were safe in the premiership when they were miles ahead of us before their sudden collape.

[Superfatbantam]

If Walsall win on Saturday and City lose the gap becomes 1 point, now there are plenty of other teams involved below us but the risk of relegation is there even if it is unlikely. I bet Wimbledon thought they were safe in the premiership when they were miles ahead of us before their sudden collape.

Assuming Scunthorpe, Yeovil, Hartlepool and Swindon lose. Swindon play Rotherham and Scunny play Swansea.

If you look at the table:

Coca-Cola Football League One Table
P GD PTS
1 Southend 33 20 60
2 Colchester 32 17 59
3 Brentford 31 18 57
4 Swansea 33 22 56
5 Huddersfield 33 8 56
6 Barnsley 32 15 52
7 Chesterfield 32 5 48
8 Oldham 32 -6 44
9 Port Vale 32 -3 43
10 Nottm Forest 32 2 41
11 Tranmere 33 2 41
12 Bradford 33 1 41
13 Doncaster 30 -2 40
14 Bournemouth 32 -2 40
15 Gillingham 33 -9 40
16 Swindon 33 -9 38
17 Hartlepool 33 -9 38
18 Bristol City 33 -11 38
19 Yeovil 32 -11 38
20 Scunthorpe 32 -7 37
21 Walsall 32 -11 37
22 Blackpool 33 -9 36
23 Rotherham 33 -8 33
24 Milton Keynes Dons 32 -13

.....there are only 11 points between 7th and 21st. Odds are we will avoid relegation. My only other wish is for the franchise dons to go down and town to miss out on the play-offs on goal difference.

[Rick]

As it stands the 4 relegation spot is held by Walsall who have played 32 games and have 37 points. Bradford are sat in 12th with 41 points from 33 games. 10th place currently has 41 points from 32 games (Notts Forest). The Gap from 10th to 20th is 4 points.

This time last season MK Dons sat in the 4th relegation spot with 33 points for 33 games. Bradford were sat in 10th with 48 points from 33 games.
The Gap from 10th to 20th was 15 points.

Torquay were relegated on 51 points.

It looks to me that you will need more points than normal to survive the drop this season. I think 55 could see you safe.

[ChuckleBantam]

As I see it, sign a goalscorer on loan to cover Deano, we'll avoid relegation and avoid it with a bit to spare. Stick withthe shit we have....we're fcuked and in a scrap.

Todd should have hung onto Cooke, that decision has baffled even the most loyal Todd supporters. Forget about JoBo, he's a new Forrest...bring back Sanasay. He is and always has been the most capable of our youngsters.

We'll have Todd at the helm until at least June, whatever happens, The Rhodes' has neither the money or the bollocks to dismiss him. It's now time for Todd to exercise a bit of common sense and take the blinkers off regarding team selection and shake up the squad and get us well clear of relegation with time to spare. I honestly think he could, I honestly think in this division he's a capable manager, but he's too concrete and too rigid in his ways. That's the thing that has to STOP or he should and rightly be told to Fuck Off!

[Loyalish2]

Play-offs anyone... ANYONE???

I've come to the conclusion it's our fault, the fans. With the exception of Hudders(bang inform)and last season Hull(good side bang inform), the team has responded and played well when the home crowd has been 'up for it'. On saturday we started very brightly and even had a shot at goal in the first minute. I expected the crowd to respond, they didn't, so the team didn't, and as a consequence we only drew.

As pro's I know they shouldn't need motivating, but it boils down to human nature and the need to feel appreciated.

So now you know, it's ALL OUR FAULT! :(

[Rick]

Loyalish your starting to sound like Todd :rolleyes:

[Loyalish2]

'Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrm', no I don't.

True though innit when you think about it?

[robbieu]

I agree with a lot of the above comments however I feel that a little premature panic as set in. An away draw at Swansea in the middle of February is and always as been a good result.

Colin Todd is an avearge coach, he has achieved little in his managerial career and never threatened to do better. Fact. He does seem however ( this is based on interviews he has given and a little feedback I have received from the club) to be a decent, honest and fair man. Those qualities shown in any supervisory capacity will naturally instill loyalty and affection from ones staff. Sacking him at this present time will create turmoil and disatisfaction throughout the playing ranks and this of course will be reflected on the pitch. I am not happy with him but there you go.

The majority of our players, Peta and a couple of others aside, are hard working and show real committment in playing to the best of their abilities. Their abilities are limited. Fact.
Potentially we could be languishing in a few weeks time I for one, are confident that we will end up in a low to middle of the table position.
I hope the players will roll their sleeves up and be prepared to scrap for the few decent results which wil ensure safety. Equally we, the supporters, need to do the same and turn up and get behind the lads.

[komakino]

I agree with a lot of the above comments however I feel that a little premature panic as set in. An away draw at Swansea in the middle of February is and always as been a good result.

Colin Todd is an avearge coach, he has achieved little in his managerial career and never threatened to do better. Fact. He does seem however ( this is based on interviews he has given and a little feedback I have received from the club) to be a decent, honest and fair man. Those qualities shown in any supervisory capacity will naturally instill loyalty and affection from ones staff. Sacking him at this present time will create turmoil and disatisfaction throughout the playing ranks and this of course will be reflected on the pitch. I am not happy with him but there you go.

The majority of our players, Peta and a couple of others aside, are hard working and show real committment in playing to the best of their abilities. Their abilities are limited. Fact.
Potentially we could be languishing in a few weeks time I for one, are confident that we will end up in a low to middle of the table position.
I hope the players will roll their sleeves up and be prepared to scrap for the few decent results which wil ensure safety. Equally we, the supporters, need to do the same and turn up and get behind the lads.

That is the biggest pile of shite I have ever read on any City board about any subject.

"An away draw at Swansea in the middle of February is and always as been a good result."

It wouldn't have been a good result in February 2000, because that would've meant we'd be out of the later rounds of either cup competition.

"He does seem however ( this is based on interviews he has given and a little feedback I have received from the club) to be a decent, honest and fair man"

Fair? Fair? FUCKING FAIR?

He fucks players off left, right and centre so I ask you, give me one example of him being "fair".

"Those qualities shown in any supervisory capacity will naturally instill loyalty and affection from ones staff."

Dean Windass & Danny Cadamarteri definately show signs of affection, after all not scoring a goal for for 4 months did for Andy Cooke.

"I hope the players will roll their sleeves up and be prepared to scrap for the few decent results which wil ensure safety."

Fair point, but who's job is it to make sure they do that?

[robbieu]

That is the biggest pile of shite I have ever read on any City board about any subject.

"An away draw at Swansea in the middle of February is and always as been a good result."

It wouldn't have been a good result in February 2000, because that would've meant we'd be out of the later rounds of either cup competition.

"He does seem however ( this is based on interviews he has given and a little feedback I have received from the club) to be a decent, honest and fair man"

Fair? Fair? FUCKING FAIR?

He fucks players off left, right and centre so I ask you, give me one example of him being "fair".

"Those qualities shown in any supervisory capacity will naturally instill loyalty and affection from ones staff."

Dean Windass & Danny Cadamarteri definately show signs of affection, after all not scoring a goal for for 4 months did for Andy Cooke.

"I hope the players will roll their sleeves up and be prepared to scrap for the few decent results which wil ensure safety."

Fair point, but who's job is it to make sure they do that?

So the away draw against a top four side was a bad result?
Forget about 2000 it is history. We are now in the old third division.
So you would sack him now then?

[komakino]

"So the away draw against a top four side was a bad result?"

Not at all, but I believe we should and could have been in that position ourselves. So I''m not overly pleased.

"Forget about 2000 it is history. We are now in the old third division."

I know, but your words were " is and always as been a good result." It's that sentiment I disagree with.

"So you would sack him now then?"

Tough one, last night I was in my cups so I was a bit OTT.

I don't like the bloke and I don't like the way he sets us up to play. I don't like the negativity in interviews, and his man management skills leave alot to be desired.

We saw in the last 2 home games of last season, that when he gave the team (and basically the same team) it's head, they tore the opposition apart. So what's changed?

On the other hand, I don't believe that changing the manager every 18-24 months is the answer.

On balance though, I'd say he HAS to go, and go soon, because I see no evidence that he is up to task of getting us out of a relegation dogfight, should the next couple of games go badly.

[robbieu]

"So the away draw against a top four side was a bad result?"

Not at all, but I believe we should and could have been in that position ourselves. So I''m not overly pleased.

"Forget about 2000 it is history. We are now in the old third division."

I know, but your words were " is and always as been a good result." It's that sentiment I disagree with.

"So you would sack him now then?"

Tough one, last night I was in my cups so I was a bit OTT.

I don't like the bloke and I don't like the way he sets us up to play. I don't like the negativity in interviews, and his man management skills leave alot to be desired.

We saw in the last 2 home games of last season, that when he gave the team (and basically the same team) it's head, they tore the opposition apart. So what's changed?

On the other hand, I don't believe that changing the manager every 18-24 months is the answer.

On balance though, I'd say he HAS to go, and go soon, because I see no evidence that he is up to task of getting us out of a relegation dogfight, should the next couple of games go badly.

At the end of the day we are not in that position whether we should, could or whatever. Going to a desolate hole like Swansea, especially when they are well above us, and getting a draw IS a good result.
It is obviously implicit we are in the same division for any result to be good, bad or indifferent. We couldnt have bleeding played them otherwise!

I dont think we will be relegated for one minute but sacking the manager at this stage would significantly increase the chances.
No half decent manager worth his salt would touch us with a barge poll anyway especially in a relegation dog fight.

[Poulton]

If we are in a relegation battle, then so are 15 other teams!
Only four of them will go down, one of the relegation spots is already taken by MK Dons. So thats three left, with Rotherham looking very likely to take to plunge aswell. So realistically there are 2 relegation places. We are at the top end of the 15 battlers, We wont be relegated this season, but it may be doom and gloom next time round if things dont change!