View Full Version : Todd Out???....... i dont thinks so
Bantam Of The Opera
10-23-2005, 01:21 PM
Average points per game for the last ten managers
1...... Frank Stapleton........1.44
-...... Colin Todd..............1.44
3.......Paul Jewell...............1.39
4.......John Docherty..........1.36
5.......Chris Kamara............1.32
-.......Lennie Lawrence.......1.32
7.......Nicky Law................1.07
8.......Jim Jefferies.............0.91
9...... Bryan Robson...........0.81
10.....Chris Hutchings.........0.58
Bantam Of The Opera
10-23-2005, 01:27 PM
Win %
1.......Paul Jewell...........39.0%
2.......John Docherty......37.8%
3.......Colin Todd..........37.7%
4.......Frank Stapleton....36.4%
5.......Lennie Lawrence....35.9%
-.......Chris Kamara.........35.9%
7.......Nicky Law.............27.7%
8.......Jim Jefferies..........26.5%
9.......Bryan Robson........25.9%
10.....Chris Hutchings.......8.3%
Bantam Of The Opera
10-23-2005, 01:33 PM
Loss %
1.......Frank Stapleton....28.8%
2.......Colin Todd..........31.1%
3.......Paul Jewell...........39.0%
4.......Lennie Lawrence...39.0%
-.......John Docherty......39.1%
6.......Chris Kamara........39.8%
7.......Nicky Law............48.2%
8.......Jim Jefferies.........49.0%
9.......Chris Hutchings.....58.33%
10.....Bryan Robson........70.37%
Bantam Of The Opera
10-23-2005, 01:40 PM
Case for the defence rested.:p
Intresting, the only one thing to bear in mind in my opinion is that Paul Jewell is the best manager and his stats are serverely damaged due to a year in the Premiership, apart from that it shows CT is doing a good job.
'there is statistics and statistics and damn lies'
you can make maths say anything you like, the one thing I want people to tell me out of those that went yesterday, how many actually enjoyed watching city take all three points?
Bantam Of The Opera
10-23-2005, 01:48 PM
Me!!!!! It was great, much better than losing ta very much ;)
Performance was terrible, but yes i enjoyed watching them win!!!!!:cool:
yea right;)
I was bored rigid..........I wanted my team to play well and not be hampered by a five man defence, when we were at home
jimmy
10-23-2005, 02:14 PM
Bollox.Colin Todd is worse than John Docherty,that says it all.:mad:
Barmy
10-23-2005, 02:35 PM
yea right;)
I was bored rigid..........I wanted my team to play well and not be hampered by a five man defence, when we were at home
I enjoyed us coming away with the 3 points, performance not so much but i'll take 3 points anyday..
of course Barmy which city fan wouldn't.......but it was hardly riveting stuff, and didn't fill you with confidence.
Barmy
10-23-2005, 02:49 PM
of course Barmy which city fan wouldn't.......but it was hardly riveting stuff, and didn't fill you with confidence.
What does give me confidence tho is the fact that we are up in 6th position without as yet playing well..
does it!!!!!!!!!!!
I think we are there more by luck than judgement or skill, but we will see by Xmas what the situation is, and I would rather you be right than me Barmy, believe me.
Bantam Of The Opera
10-23-2005, 04:46 PM
Bollox.Colin Todd is worse than John Docherty,that says it all.:mad:
Tut and it took me ages to work out them stats too, i was hoping for a more in depth rant for the effort i put in ;):D
tony d
10-23-2005, 04:56 PM
Tut and it took me ages to work out them stats too, i was hoping for a more in depth rant for the effort i put in ;):D
Facts are hard for people to accept BOTO..... Its easier to just rant and moan the hours away... Good stats them.... Easy to read and digest...
In fact just as easy as reading this seasons results and Team position..
Ahhhhh doesnt it make you sooooooooooooooooo happy to see the lads sat their on MERIT........
Keep the faith.....:p ;)
ChuckleBantam
10-23-2005, 05:09 PM
Fact is, Docherty in his one full season finished one place outside the play offs. It may even have been on goal difference. That's why when you consider we have had Nicky Law and even worse Jim Jefferies since, I won't join in with the Docherty rants, same as I don't go along with any of this Todd Out bollocks!
Parrot
10-23-2005, 05:50 PM
Case for the defence rested.:p
FPMSL, so because the FACTS say that CT as a higher points tally than Paul Jewell, that makes him a better manager?:D
Your FACTS dont take into account what level they managed at, or how long it took them to amass the points ect...ect...
Thank fcuk you lot aren't running the club, we'd still have John Docherty in charge:mad:
Keep the jokes coming fellas, it cheered me up anyway:D
ChuckleBantam
10-23-2005, 05:58 PM
Yes or No answer my feathered friend. Should City sack Todd?
Parrot
10-23-2005, 06:09 PM
Yes or No answer my feathered friend. Should City sack Todd?
How can you sack a manager when we've won the last 2 games, lost 1 in 9?
I personally would give him till xmas at least, but I am not impressed with his tactics & substitutions, especially at VP & dont think for one moment he his the man to lead us out of this division(up:D), which should surely be our aim?!
I can understand how people like you & T think about our high position in the table ect... but im sure if you guys had been to every home game(not having dig) this season your patience may have been tested too!
It costs me £50 every home game on top of my ticket/s, for beer,babysitters ect... & I think i deserve more for that outlay!
ChuckleBantam
10-23-2005, 06:16 PM
How can you sack a manager when we've won the last 2 games, lost 1 in 9?
I personally would give him till xmas at least, but I am not impressed with his tactics & substitutions, especially at VP & dont think for one moment he his the man to lead us out of this division(up:D), which should surely be our aim?!
I can understand how people like you & T think about our high position in the table ect... but im sure if you guys had been to every home game(not having dig) this season your patience may have been tested too!
It costs me £50 every home game on top of my ticket/s, for beer,babysitters ect... & I think i deserve more for that outlay!
I don't think than any fan can ask for more than a lofty league position for any outlay. And that's what Todd has delivered consistantly from his two seasons in charge.
Parrot
10-23-2005, 06:21 PM
If you call mid-table "Lofty" then fine, but I think we could & should do better with the squad we have:mad:
jimmy
10-23-2005, 06:28 PM
CHUCKLE AND TONY,question what two players would you rather watch in a snooker final over 25 frames,Terry Griffiths v Cliff Thorburn (drab boring uninventive paint dry). OR Ronnie O'Sullivan v Jimmy White (fantastic and spectacular snooker played at a fat and furious pace) I know what i would rather pay to watch and we are worse than the latter believe me.:rolleyes:
ChuckleBantam
10-23-2005, 06:38 PM
The squad we have isn't owt special mate. It's really not. Every one of em is past their sell by date or playing at the best level they ever will. Todd plays a system to suit that. I remember wetting me pants laughing at the pre season claims that were knocking about on here that we have one of the best squads in the division. We haven't. Nothing like.We have a distinctly average one at best. The better younger players such as MBW, Schuey and Bower haven't got the scouts flocking to VP. We aren't very good and we have to play to whatever strengths we can find. Todd can do that.
It's testimony of the manager's ability that we are difficult to beat and play off contenders, as we were right up until April last year. Change the manager now or introduce a system alien to the players, that's any chance of a promotion challenge fucked and probably our financial stability fucked too. As long as we are at the top end of the table we might get the floaters back.Wether we are playing like Brazil or Wimbledon.Face it, theres nowt going on behind the scenes at VP to encourage em back. Our League position is all that's appealing about the club at the moment, however we've got there.
ChuckleBantam
10-23-2005, 06:43 PM
CHUCKLE AND TONY,question what two players would you rather watch in a snooker final over 25 frames,Terry Griffiths v Cliff Thorburn (drab boring uninventive paint dry). OR Ronnie O'Sullivan v Jimmy White (fantastic and spectacular snooker played at a fat and furious pace) I know what i would rather pay to watch and we are worse than the latter believe me.:rolleyes:
I'd pay to watch neither, because at the end of a snooker match, there's nowt to benefit the spectator like the feeling that the promotion of a favourite football team brings. All that happens is that they've seen a game in which the participants don't encourage an alliegance that a football team does. With respect Finchy, that's a daft analogy.
Same question to you. Yes or No answer. As of today, 23rd October 2005, at 1940hrs. Should Bradford City sack Colin Todd??
tony d
10-23-2005, 06:58 PM
If you call mid-table "Lofty" then fine, but I think we could & should do better with the squad we have:mad:
So everyone pior to this seasons kick off when all but Claridge was in the squad thought play offs at best...Most if you check thought mid table..
Now over 1/4 of the season we find our selves still in said play off positions and THEY ARE NOT HAPPY... Cos the squad should do better... Now Parrot that makes me laugh..
BTW mate 6th isnt mid table!!!
PMSL... Keep em coming Parrot...:D
jimmy
10-23-2005, 06:59 PM
As of today the 23rd October i would sack him.But i would only do that if i had secured a manager who i thought could put the heart and desire in the team that is lacking.I would hire Reid,Gregory or the Jock at Wycombe.Geoffery Richmond would have done this weeks ago,he had bottle and vision and was as passionate as any fan.He new what made a manager and got them in.He saw Stapleton couldnt do owt and got rid CK came and he got rid and i bet theres not one person on here who was pleased with PJs appointment.Even tony facts would have had a say on his appointment,but GR saw in him what it takes to make a team battle and wear their heart on the shirt.So once again sack the TWAT......:D :eek: :rolleyes:
Parrot
10-23-2005, 07:06 PM
Like I said T, If you had been to most the games this season you may have a different view, who knows?
Before you spit your dummy out Im not having a dig, just stating the obvious;)
As for lofty league position, I was refering to our final league position last season, not our current one which im sure you'll agree means means fcuk all!
I should have made that clear i suppose.
Bantam Of The Opera
10-23-2005, 07:13 PM
I actually agree with Jimmy, Parrot etc... The performances are terrible and not good enough, but the results are and IMO that’s all that matters, Todd is doing a good job (as far as the results go) and that is the crucial thing. If we can get some "good" games under our belts it is an added bonus, but I felt great walking out of the ground because we won even though up to the 90th minute I was bored stiff but that one goal changed my opinion on the game.
I have my doubts about some aspects of Todd’s management (most notably his changes during a game, which have improved greatly), but I also had my doubts about Jewell and Kamara before they got us promoted but I stuck with them and I shall do the same with Todd. The reason we have struggled is because of KEY injuries with Ricketts and MBW, we have seen the impact with Ricketts coming back, two wins and two clean sheets. Imagine what impact Brilko with have on the (at the moment lacking) creative aspect of our play.
At the moment I am delighted with our league position as I thought we would be around 13th-14th all season so this is a pleasant surprise. All I need now is for games to be more watchable and the results to stay the same and I will be a happy BOTO.
At the end of the day its a game of opinions which is what makes it so much fun to debate about it on a message board like this one.
Mallorcabantam
10-23-2005, 07:22 PM
Let have a look at some of the top teams – Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal. Or in Div 1 Udders or Swansea, how many team go there to attack and win the game, hardly any, they go and pack their defense and hope not to concede, the home team have a problem breaking them down, they cant play with flair because there is too many defenders, city have this problem when we are at home.
Away from home its different, the poorer teams try (try) for a win, there by giving the away team a chance to show some flair and win the game.
It’s the way it is and if we stay near the top this is what we will get, so as long as the points keep coming our way it will be difficult to watch, but you’ve got to back CT. I do
wykie
10-23-2005, 08:15 PM
What I find strange is two supporters who have not been to VP since god knows when, ,but think they know more than everybody else, that is weird. And that is not a part timer jibe. To be a part timer you have to go to a game once in a while. Smiley thing
Plus I have never been at the Top Table in the bantams bar.
Parrot
10-23-2005, 08:17 PM
Plus I have never been at the Top Table in the bantams bar.
Thats because it doesn't exist Wykie, well only in the mind of one of the said individuals anyway;)
wykie
10-23-2005, 08:21 PM
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh now I get it.
ChuckleBantam
10-23-2005, 08:22 PM
What I find strange is two supporters who have not been to VP since god knows when, ,but think they know more than everybody else, that is weird. And that is not a part timer jibe. To be a part timer you have to go to a game once in a while. Smiley thing
Plus I have never been at the Top Table in the bantams bar.
I think almost 28 years of unbroken support gives me a right to an opinion don't you?
Thats because it doesn't exist Wykie, well only in the mind of one of the said individuals anyway;)
Oh but it does my feathered friend. And the Top Table wasn't even a phrase that was coined by my goodself either. You'd be amazed how much awareness there is of the so called Top Table there is in the Bantams Bar on a matchday. That's why when I end my exile, I won't be in any rush to sit at it.....winky smiley lol lol winkity lol lol
wykie
10-23-2005, 08:44 PM
I think almost 28 years of unbroken support gives me a right to an opinion don't you?
Oh but it does my feathered friend. And the Top Table wasn't even a phrase that was coined by my goodself either. You'd be amazed how much awareness there is of the so called Top Table there is in the Bantams Bar on a matchday. That's why when I end my exile, I won't be in any rush to sit at it.....winky smiley lol lol winkity lol lol
Not a jibe but if you do not see the games as we do (ie we go to the games), and its shite, why should we give you, or that thick squadie any benefit of the doubt?
wykie
10-23-2005, 08:46 PM
Bet I get banned. Tony D must have a photo of Baldie tasting protien.
Parrot
10-23-2005, 08:48 PM
Oh but it does my feathered friend. And the Top Table wasn't even a phrase that was coined by my goodself either. You'd be amazed how much awareness there is of the so called Top Table there is in the Bantams Bar on a matchday. That's why when I end my exile, I won't be in any rush to sit at it.....winky smiley lol lol winkity lol lol
Whatever mate, keep taking the tablets & it might go away;)
If what you say is true then all I can assume is that someone as bitter & jealous as yourself probably coined the phrase;)
Whats wrong with people who enjoy each others company sitting together in a bar before a football match FFS???
jimmy
10-23-2005, 08:57 PM
Its jealousy.They think we talk about them,but the fact is we dont.Conversation usually starts as it did Saturday Parrot to jimmy "ive got a good feeling about today we are going to win " jimmy to Parrot "yes i have the same feeling i think 3-0 Lets hope we are right.Or we will be well pished off". Then its the usual Banter taking the pish and more about the game ahead.There is no click as i thought there would be when i first met people from the boards.Look at me they excepted me and im wrong in the head.:rolleyes:
king billy
10-23-2005, 09:12 PM
Oh but it does my feathered friend. And the Top Table wasn't even a phrase that was coined by my goodself either. You'd be amazed how much awareness there is of the so called Top Table there is in the Bantams Bar on a matchday. That's why when I end my exile, I won't be in any rush to sit at it.....winky smiley lol lol winkity lol lol
There's 1 of 2 people (or both) who'd share that info with you - and both of em sit in their own "little gangs" too - as do everyone else i've ever met - the only places where people don't sit with their mates is singles clubs surely?....:confused:
it is beginning to resemble the school yard round here.
It is a human condition to want and make friends who share similar interests, fact of life get used to it!!!!!
Now do I wonder what the msg board friends are talking about when I am sat in the Midland Road, erm...................................zzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzz, it is boring enough as it is at VP without wondering about who is saying what to whom.
C'mn on then Parrot, what the hell were you talking about behind me back:rolleyes:
Parrot
10-23-2005, 09:30 PM
C'mn on then Parrot, what the hell were you talking about behind me back:rolleyes:
Dont get paranoid & a touch of the "Tweedledums" BG!;)
erm yes, might be catching like that bird flu you have;)
ChuckleBantam
10-23-2005, 11:09 PM
If what you say is true then all I can assume is that someone as bitter & jealous as yourself
Jealous....yeah right :D
That kind of thinking my friend, is preeeeecisely the reason said reputation has been gained!
I don't think sacking Todd is the answer at all, far from it. This club is like a merry-go-round for managers. Anyone here longer than 2 years get's a nose bleed.
But Todd does have to change his dull drab boring tactics or he will get chopped, not because of the results but because his game plan isn't putting bum's on seats. Let's face it, the 7,700+ there this weekend are the hardcore fan base that's left after the premiership. Now Junior wants to get more bums on seats, he ain't got a cat in hell's chance of getting those bum's on seats whilst City play like that at home.
Sure, it's great seeing City high up the table and the floater might think, yeah i'll pop down Valley Parade this weekend with my kids and wife and we'll have a day out, there winning again so it should be a good day out. Get there, no atmosphere - drab boring performances. He's in the car on the way home.
Wife Say's: How much did that just cost us love?
Husband: About £50 including everything we bought at the kiosks and stuff.
Wife: You bloody what?!?!?!?! We aren't going there again to waste £50 to watch that shower of shit they are showing.
Husband: But they won love, just like the play-off season.
Wife: I don't give a rats arse, the two lads sat there for 89 minutes bored out of there faces. I could take them shopping for less money and they would have as much enjoyment, I don't care what you say we aren't paying that again.
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Now you might think i'm going a tad overboard here but i've heard this walking back along into town and even know people who think and are doing this.....
Die hards might be happy with boring 1 nil smash and grabs but floaters who come and swell the coughers more, wont pay out to watch that shit.
The thing is if you are a floating supporter then spend your money on a decent game.
Gillingham, MK Dons, Colchester, Yeovil, etc are bound to be games with no atmosphere as they bring no fans, no fans = no banter, no banter = no atmosphere.
We play Barnsley at home next in the league, they should bring a few thousand fans here so there will be an atmosphere and even if the game is poor there should be an atmosphere.
Games against Hartlepool and Rotherham follow which should include reasonable away followings which hopefully add to the atmosphere.
When you have been playing teams like Chelsea, Arsenal, Man U & Liverpool in the last 5 years, you can't really get worked up for the likes of MK Dons & Yeovil.
City should promote the local derbies more, get it in the T&A and advertise for the Barnsley game, even better put the FA Cup game at £5 to £10 a ticket and try to raise interest, the next 4 games Forest away, Tranmere and Barnsley at home and Hudders away are all high profile games in this division get the fans in for these and they will probably come back.
ChuckleBantam
10-24-2005, 08:10 AM
League Position will ALWAYS attract fans over performance. You'd have to be daft to think otherwise. Winning games is the key to success, not how you do it. To have flair is nice, but well down the list to what breeds success on the pitch and interest from the public.
Do you honestly think an entertaining side in the bottom three or four would attract more interest than a workmanlike team in the top 6??
Fooking Hell! Just take a second and listen to yourselves!!
Thorney,
You've a valid point ... but ... When Mr Todd is on the radio telling people were gonna go at them and steam roll them it get's mr Joe Bloggs thinking. Right, Saturday afternoon i'm gonna go watch a belting game with lots of goals because the manager has promised the players are going to go out there all gun's blazing.
Now how many families/floaters will of turned up on saturday because of this? i'd say a good few hundred where there and i'd be suprised if half of them are at the next home game.
When the manager is saying the team are going to go all guns blazing against a team in the bottom 4 you get people's attention .......
Now read the T&A this week matey and read the number of compliants about Todd's promise :)
Then read his article today saying how well we played :D
Parrot
10-24-2005, 09:45 AM
Jealous....yeah right :D
That kind of thinking my friend, is preeeeecisely the reason said reputation has been gained!
You replying to yourself there mate?
There's only You seem's to have an obsession with the so called Top Table mate, get fecking over it, your embaressing ya sen!!!:(
Parrot
10-24-2005, 09:55 AM
League Position will ALWAYS attract fans over performance. You'd have to be daft to think otherwise. Winning games is the key to success, not how you do it. To have flair is nice, but well down the list to what breeds success on the pitch and interest from the public.
Do you honestly think an entertaining side in the bottom three or four would attract more interest than a workmanlike team in the top 6??
Fooking Hell! Just take a second and listen to yourselves!!
Gotta agree with Chuckle on this one, League position Is always what will attract the so-called stay-away fans back to VP.
Unfortunately for us die-hards who go whatever the position, we'll just have to put up with boring, defensive football that's currently being served up at every home game until the inevitable happens & our season disintergrates..........again!:mad:
Eds analaysis Is probably spot on where the Glory-hunter/floating supporters are concerned, anyone who deciedes to go to a one-off home game this season, would surely be hard pressed to want to come again?:(
tony d
10-24-2005, 10:11 AM
Gotta agree with Chuckle on this one, League position Is always what will attract the so-called stay-away fans back to VP.
?:(
Chuckle stole that from me.....As most things BTW...:D
ChuckleBantam
10-24-2005, 10:16 AM
You replying to yourself there mate?
There's only You seem's to have an obsession with the so called Top Table mate, get fecking over it, your embaressing ya sen!!!:(
Bet you used to watch Beverly Hills 9012wotsit and dream about being one of the cool kids?? Now you think you are every other Saturday...lolololol
Chuckle stole that from me.....As most things BTW...:D
How can you steal the obvious and common sense?? You either have it or you don't. I thank the lucky stars, I do.
tony d
10-24-2005, 10:18 AM
Not a jibe but if you do not see the games as we do (ie we go to the games), and its shite, why should we give you, or that thick squadie any benefit of the doubt?
Wykie, you out of everyone are the poster im most looking forward to meeting.. Why, not a violent reason before the God squad appear:p just i have a picture of the type of person i think you are...
Out of everyone i bet im spot on with you fella... See you soon old man.:D
Thick pmsfl..From you i take that as a compliment...
BTW Jimmy i dont care if you talk about me mate.. What a boring conversation that would be bitching about someone you have never met from a MB... How fooking sad eh!!!!
Parrot
10-24-2005, 10:29 AM
Bet you used to watch Beverly Hills 9012wotsit and dream about being one of the cool kids?? Now you think you are every other Saturday...lolololol
Beverley Hills 9012wotsit.........FPMSL:D
As per usual Chuckle, your ranting about fcuk all you know about fella.
Tell me & everyone else on here, how many times have you sat at the so-called "Top Table"???:rolleyes:
At the end of the day, Julian Rhodes will look where we are in the league and think I'm happy with that.
We may not be entertaining but we are getting the job done and at the end of the day that is all that matters does it not.
A few years ago WBA won around 20 games 1-0, it probably was boring to watch at times but come the end of the season when they won promotion do you think it mattered?
Even though we played boring football on Saturday how many boo's did you hear at the final whistle?
If at the end of the season we are at the business end of the league fans will come to see us whatever our style of play.
Barmy
10-24-2005, 10:49 AM
Spot on Thorney mate..
Yeadon Bantam
10-24-2005, 11:19 AM
I walked away from VP knowing we would be 6th, that made me happy, although the bad thing is we won 1-0 and up until that minute cookey scored there was nothing good about the game, i brought a guest along who has been a few times and if we hadnt have won he would have been thinking about coming again, but as it is now he will be coming again!
Geoffery Richmond would have done this weeks ago,he had bottle and vision and was as passionate as any fan.He new what made a manager and got them in.He saw Stapleton couldnt do owt and got rid CK came and he got rid and i bet theres not one person on here who was pleased with PJs appointment.Even tony facts would have had a say on his appointment,but GR saw in him what it takes to make a team battle
Jimmy, you still have a good word to say about Richmond. I will never trust a word you say ever again. For a start Richmond picked the teams, thats why managers kept leaving, not because they were sacked.
Todd should stay, until the end of the season at the very least. Short termism in relation to management is a major failing with this club.
ChuckleBantam
10-24-2005, 12:07 PM
Jimmy, you still have a good word to say about Richmond. I will never trust a word you say ever again. For a start Richmond picked the teams, thats why managers kept leaving, not because they were sacked
axel, had GR not been forced out, we'd be at very worse upper Championship with 15000+ crowds now. He could big up this club in his sleep. All those tales about picking the team etc are nowt more than conspiracy thoeries. The day GR left, was the day the loonburgers were given control of the asylum. We've hardly moved on since his departure have we??
Beverley Hills 9012wotsit.........FPMSL:D
As per usual Chuckle, your ranting about fcuk all you know about fella.
Tell me & everyone else on here, how many times have you sat at the so-called "Top Table"???:rolleyes:
More times than I'd want to admit... rollyeyeswinkysmiley
The day GR left, was the day the loonburgers were given control of the asylum. We've hardly moved on since his departure have we??
The day Richmond went back on his word was the 1st day of a long suffering death. He said he would never spend more than £10,000 a week on any single player, then he goes and signs Ward for £18,000 a week, Carbone for £40,000 a week.
As for moving on after his departure, if you inherit the problems city had after Richmond left there isn't an over night solution to put it right only now 5 years down the line are we starting to move forward but people still aren't happy.
harrogatebantam31
10-24-2005, 12:38 PM
Firstly, are those defending GR and saying we wouldn't be in this position if he was still here really been serious?!! We are in this position because of him!! Irrespective of whether his motives were correct or not we are still financially buggered because of him!! Having him here still would not make the books look any better!!
Secondly, I agree about the level of entertainment this season at VP. Away from home we have seen some good performances, but at home because of the defensive minds of teams at VP, there are very few chances.
We may not have created much Saturday, but we deserved to beat Gillingham for their negative tactics and time-wasting with 1/2hour to go!!
Also, if we were playing fantastic attacking football, losing 3-2 every game and sitting in the bottom 4 would we not all be saying "I wish we were playing crap and winning!"?
We are getting results without our most creative player so surely we can only get better!
Also, we are on a shoe-string budget, but better players may be inclined to come to us as we are sitting around the top 6.
All in all so far the home performances haven't been great, but we are sitting pretty at the moment. I felt we could make a play-off place and having seen what we are up against in terms of oppostion this season I still think it's possible!!
Let's keep behind the team (and Toddy) and keep us up near the right end!!
HGTEB31!!
Parrot
10-24-2005, 12:53 PM
More times than I'd want to admit... rollyeyeswinkysmiley
So that would be zero then, I presume?
So why dont you tell everyone just how you know soooo much about whats supposedly said/discussed at the soooo called Top-Table then Chuckle, or are your perception's percieved out of bitterness & jealousy?
ChuckleBantam
10-24-2005, 01:22 PM
or are your perception's percieved out of bitterness & jealousy?[/SIZE]
Only in your dreams.
Firstly, are those defending GR and saying we wouldn't be in this position if he was still here really been serious?!! We are in this position because of him!! Irrespective of whether his motives were correct or not we are still financially buggered because of him!! Having him here still would not make the books look any better!!
Secondly, I agree about the level of entertainment this season at VP. Away from home we have seen some good performances, but at home because of the defensive minds of teams at VP, there are very few chances.
We may not have created much Saturday, but we deserved to beat Gillingham for their negative tactics and time-wasting with 1/2hour to go!!
Also, if we were playing fantastic attacking football, losing 3-2 every game and sitting in the bottom 4 would we not all be saying "I wish we were playing crap and winning!"?
We are getting results without our most creative player so surely we can only get better!
Also, we are on a shoe-string budget, but better players may be inclined to come to us as we are sitting around the top 6.
All in all so far the home performances haven't been great, but we are sitting pretty at the moment. I felt we could make a play-off place and having seen what we are up against in terms of oppostion this season I still think it's possible!!
Let's keep behind the team (and Toddy) and keep us up near the right end!!
HGTEB31!!
We are in this position now as a direct result of Rhodes' and Gibbs spat. Richmond left on the back of a workable CVA and it was Gibb/Rhodes' that couldn't competently run the club to adhere to it. When Gibb and Rhodes finally fell out we'd started turning the corner in the old division one and Robson and Todd had formed a squad boosted by loan players that was capable of staying up, then had the carpet pulled from under them when Rhodes and Gibb took us back into Admin. That's why we are in the position we are in now. Not anything to do with anybody or anything else.
We are in this position now as a direct result of Rhodes' and Gibbs spat. Richmond left on the back of a workable CVA and it was Gibb/Rhodes' that couldn't competently run the club to adhere to it. When Gibb and Rhodes finally fell out we'd started turning the corner in the old division one and Robson and Todd had formed a squad boosted by loan players that was capable of staying up, then had the carpet pulled from under them when Rhodes and Gibb took us back into Admin. That's why we are in the position we are in now. Not anything to do with anybody or anything else.
Funny how you defend Richmond to the hilt even though he played a major part in our downfall and got to big for his boots by trying to start up a break away league (Which if now existed could of seen the end of the football league and the division we now play in), but won't give Jim Brown a chance.
ChuckleBantam
10-24-2005, 01:38 PM
Funny how you defend Richmond to the hilt even though he played a major part in our downfall and got to big for his boots by trying to start up a break away league (Which if now existed could of seen the end of the football league and the division we now play in), but won't give Jim Brown a chance.
I said at the time, the so called Phoenix League was a good idea. In hindsight it was.
If you were in contact with the Halifax Supporters Trust as much as I am, you'd not give Jim Brown a chance either. But that aside, Jim Brown's contribution to Bradford City???....answers on the back of a postage stamp please. You don't have to list what GR did for the club, it depresses me when I think now of what we had then.
Yes or No answer time again Thorndyke. Do you think Rhodes and Brown have the savvy and acumen to deliver what we had between 1996-2001?
Richmond left this club totally in the gutter and Julian Rhodes has stayed around to clean up the mess, whether we get back to the promised land is debateable but to say Gibb and Rhodes are to blame for everything and Richmond had nothing to do with it is laughable.
ChuckleBantam
10-24-2005, 01:52 PM
Richmond was to blame for a lot of things, things he owned up to. Our current position is two CVA's since his departure, he cannot be held responsible for anything after that.
Richmond didn't LEAVE this club, he was aked to leave. Rhodes' first big mistake, because nobody had the talents to run and market the club. Face it Rhodes won't even talk to the fans, shy or dereliction of duty? The latter methinks.
I have nothing against Julian Rhodes other than his track record at running a football club is woeful. I have said before, if he dumped the freeloaders on the board and replaced them with an MD who has experience of running and marketing a football club, then got some of the present employees who are involved in customer interaction to toe the line and remember WHO puts the money in to pay their wages then we are on our way to recovery. And he would have shown that he IS a capable enough person to run OUR football club.
ChuckleBantam
10-24-2005, 02:02 PM
So would GR have stuck with Todd then?
Would any chairman like GR stick with Todd?:rolleyes:
As long as we were in with a shout he would have. Like everyone else, League Position would have been the priority.
My opinion of the whole situation is that those having ago at the people who run the club sound as daft as those who come on here shouting for Todds head. There is no justified reason for either, Todd is doing a great job even if it isn't pretty to watch and Rhodes and the board are trying to put things right, remember we haven't even been out of admin for a year and things won't be put right over night.
Mallorcabantam
10-24-2005, 03:15 PM
My opinion of the whole situation is that those having ago at the people who run the club sound as daft as those who come on here shouting for Todds head. There is no justified reason for either, Todd is doing a great job even if it isn't pretty to watch and Rhodes and the board are trying to put things right, remember we haven't even been out of admin for a year and things won't be put right over night.
And now with a few good results city have a foundation to build on --- it may be too slow for some, but its working
harrogatebantam31
10-24-2005, 04:04 PM
I'm sorry but Rhodes may be partially to blame, but I'm afraid the book has to stop with GR.
He got too big for his boots and his ego nearly cost us our football club.
The Rhodes/Gibb debacle didn't help matters, but the initial downfall began with GR and the rediculous wages the likes of Carboni were given! Those were decisions made by GR.
GR may have been asked to leave, rather than leaving of his own accord, but anyone with any sense of business would realise JR has got just as much acumen as GR. I doubt very much that JR or his Dad would have handed out such stupid wages to any player! The plus point for us is that JR is a City fan and has stuck with us. Further helped by his injection to cover the loss of this financial year!
We can't chnage what's happened and so lets look forward! At the moment we are in a decent position without playing well. Keep behind the team ladies and gents because if we do get promotion (even playing horrible unattractive footy at home) the likes of Wolves, Leeds, Sheff Weds, Hull, Norwich, Palace etc... will be at VP next year and will attract much bigger gates.
Maybe then the hard work of JR, the steering committee, BCST, BCISC etc... will come to fruitition and we will all have something to cheer about!!
HGTEB31!!
For the final word on GR have a read of David Conn's excellent book 'The Beautiful Game'. Take a look at the chapter entitled 'Six Weeks of Madness'.
ChuckleBantam
10-25-2005, 09:53 AM
For the final word on GR have a read of David Conn's excellent book 'The Beautiful Game'. Take a look at the chapter entitled 'Six Weeks of Madness'.
And that's all it was.
If he writes an update and mentions the current regime, he should title it, "Five Years of Incompetence"
Johnny Yen
10-25-2005, 04:18 PM
It's well documented that under BFG's stewardship we had unprecedented success, more than in the last 80years of the clubs history.
I won't go over the old ground of the clubs successes from 95-2000 as we all hold them dear to our memories.
However, the monster BFG created grew into mammoth proportions and in order to feed it, he put the whole future of our clubs existance at risk and that was by far in excess of any six weeks of madness.
Zonnebloem
10-25-2005, 04:40 PM
Six weeks of madness? Three years of unwarranted dividends! I've forgotten the figure now but was something like 8 million quid paid out to shareholders, not against any operating profits but in ill-placed anticipation of greatness.
NormanCorner
10-25-2005, 05:44 PM
Your fact and figures on managers certainly have started some debate.
A very interesting thread ensued, including tangents on Geoffrey, Julian, Gordon and Jim.......even the top table got a mention.
Bantam Of The Opera
10-25-2005, 05:46 PM
I know, you cant beat mass debating can you???
NormanCorner
10-25-2005, 05:50 PM
Yeah...there's quite a few mass debaters on 'ere.....where is Pk by the way?
Spoonhead
10-25-2005, 10:51 PM
this threads all got a bit out of hand folks.the way i see it,(and i am the fountain of knowledge by the way) we have a reputation in this division as being one of the contenders probably due to the well documented recent success and subsequent sad demise of our club.teams come to valley parade thinking a points a good result so come here to stifle the game and make it messy.we've lost one of our creative players in mbw and we're finding it hard to break down teams who put 10 behind the ball and all too often are sneaking a goal.the last game was pretty dull but we stuck at it,didn't give away a sloppy goal like usual and got our reward when cookie shinned one in!if we keep putting in solid perfomances,confidence will grow and we may just have a chance if luck and injuries go our way.
i've questioned some of todd's subs/lack of subs/team selection myself but i'm prepared to put my faith in him.he's got a decent squad in the top 6 and a couple more results could see us challenging for top 2!AND PEOPLE ARE MOANING!
come on gang,get a grip and keep the faith.we're back on the up i'm convinced.
harrogatebantam31
10-26-2005, 06:39 AM
this threads all got a bit out of hand folks.the way i see it,(and i am the fountain of knowledge by the way) we have a reputation in this division as being one of the contenders probably due to the well documented recent success and subsequent sad demise of our club.teams come to valley parade thinking a points a good result so come here to stifle the game and make it messy.we've lost one of our creative players in mbw and we're finding it hard to break down teams who put 10 behind the ball and all too often are sneaking a goal.the last game was pretty dull but we stuck at it,didn't give away a sloppy goal like usual and got our reward when cookie shinned one in!if we keep putting in solid perfomances,confidence will grow and we may just have a chance if luck and injuries go our way.
i've questioned some of todd's subs/lack of subs/team selection myself but i'm prepared to put my faith in him.he's got a decent squad in the top 6 and a couple more results could see us challenging for top 2!AND PEOPLE ARE MOANING!
come on gang,get a grip and keep the faith.we're back on the up i'm convinced.
At last J, somebody with a bit of sense and perspective!!
HGTEB31!!
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