View Full Version : Yesterday's England Game
Firstly well done to the boys for getting the points required to qualify for the World Cup.
But there were a few worring things from yesterdays game which show we have an awful lot of things to put right if we are going to stand any chance next year.
I don't want to slate him because of one game but Crouch doesn't look like an international player, even the fans were ironically cheering him when he actually won a header, and various people in a better posistion than me to comment couldn't think of anything kind to say about him, Alan Shearer for one.
Sven seems to be suffering from a lack of confidence and his desisions are starting to baffle most, Bringing on Hargreaves when one nil down to NI and taking Owen off yesterday when Crouch quite clearly was the worse player on the pitch.
I'm finding it hard to watch England nowadays they are turning into the most boring team in football, yesterdays game was worse than the City v Colchester game a few weeks back the only difference is England are a team of World Class players, City are not. I had several friends round watching the game at my house yesterday and can honestly say we only had half an eye on the game it was that bad. We're about as entertaining as Scotland at present.
Beckham's Sending off was harsh but it will be interesting to see how we play without him against Poland, Personally I'd give the Captaincy to either Terry or Gerrard rather than Owen.
There is no pressure on Wednesday so lets see the real England step forward and put on a show, the result doesn't matter and there is no pressure on the players so those excuses won't be applicable on Wednesday, I feel the performance of the team on Wednesday is now more important than the result to put some confidence back into the nation.
baldbantam
10-09-2005, 10:36 AM
Most important thing is that we got the result to qualify.
If a week is a long time in football, then the months and months to the world cup are an eternity. Time for players to come in and out of form, get injured, whatever. Time for the management team to think about the weaknesses and see what they can do about them.
When does the competition proper actually start in Germany?
Sentamu Bantam
10-09-2005, 11:07 AM
There is a certain negativity creeping into the Engerland tictacs seems to I.
Doesn't seem to be the movement up front for the midfield to work the ball to the fowards enough and the ball is played square or backwards a lot for the sake of possession.
Joe Cole was too involved in defensive covering to be effective and when he went off it called for an injection of pace in the form of Wright-Philips rather than a defensive midfielder like King.
Hopefully now we is in the finals Sven will be more postive and go for attack against the polacks.
'Bring on the Hun!'
ChuckleBantam
10-09-2005, 11:20 AM
Beer; The competition runs from 9th June to 9th July
Thorney; Crouch was one of the best players on the pitch yesterday. He was the best player on the pitch for the first half. And you know it. He caused the Austria the problems won the requisite amount of free kicks I confidently predicted. His actual skill in bringing his team mates into the game and his supply line were a pleasant bonus. He drifted out of the game in the second half, alongside everyone of his team mates, especially after the ridiculous red card for Becks. The ironic cheers and Alan Shearer criticising him, didn't happen, you probably just WANTED them to.
All I will say is, that since we were only defending a one goal lead when he took Owen off, then that was IMHO the wrong substituion, given that if Austria had fluked one, we'd have lost our main goal scoring threat had we needed to get back into the game, so yes Crouch probably should have made way, but only because circumstances dictated that. But had the lead been more comfortable Owen would have been the correct substitution given that Crouch's all round play was (forgive the pun) head and sholders above Owens for the whole game.
In the pub yesterday afternoon everybody around us were singing Peter Crouch's praises because of his contribution to the game yesterday and King Billy and Prawny will confirm that. Afterwards we called off in my local to see some mates and everyone there was saying the same, probably because it seems they ACTUALLY watched the same game as myself with an OPEN mind.
Thorney; Crouch was one of the best players on the pitch yesterday. He was the best player on the pitch for the first half. And you know it. He caused the Austria the problems won the requisite amount of free kicks I confidently predicted. His actual skill in bringing his team mates into the game and his supply line were a pleasant bonus. He drifted out of the game in the second half, alongside everyone of his team mates, especially after the ridiculous red card for Becks. The ironic cheers and Alan Shearer criticising him, didn't happen, you probably just WANTED them to.
Can I have a video of the game you watched yesterday because it was completely different from the one I watched and most on here.
I'm sure other people will confirm the ironic cheers aimed at Crouch, they weren't that easy to miss.
Shearer being kind to Crouch (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/4323032.stm#)
Englands Ratings (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/4322592.stm)
Sentamu Bantam
10-09-2005, 11:34 AM
Crouch does exactly what it says on his CV.
'I am a tall lanky streak of piss who can get to 50% of high balls and flick them on into space or to the feet of a fellow player.
I have a modicum of footballing ability which belies my awkward gangly appearance.
I lack pace and my control is somewhat lacking at times, indeed I am nothing special and will be considered a flash in the pan.
I will one day play for Engerland but that will be it...one day'
'Is it cold up there?'
ChuckleBantam
10-09-2005, 11:46 AM
Can I have a video of the game you watched yesterday because it was completely different from the one I watched and most on here.
I'm sure other people will confirm the ironic cheers aimed at Crouch, they weren't that easy to miss.
Shearer being kind to Crouch (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/4323032.stm#)
Englands Ratings (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/4322592.stm)
I don't see Shearer mention Crouch's performance once there. In fact if you scroll down Graham Taylor (a former England Manager btw) confirms what I said about him bringing others into play and It's also true what he says about every effort England had on Goal, having Crouch involved in the build up.
I like you Thorney, you are a nice lad, but you don't half talk some shite...no offense like.
Sorry the piece in question was to the right, the video section.
He gets asked whether Crouch is international quality and he trys his best to give an answer that won't offend.
Did
Wicker Man
10-09-2005, 11:50 AM
crouch was crap yesterday, what game were you watching chuckle? thorney is right! how he got into the england team ahead of bent i will never know, we need to sack sven now before its too late, thats if it is too late already...
I wouldn't use Graham Taylors coments to back up anything, this is the guy who put Keith Curle and Carlton Palmer in the same England Team.
Sorry the bit I thought I'd linked was to the right, Gary asks Alan if he thinks Crouch is International quality but Alan answers the question as politely as he can without saying no.
It's all acedemic though as Rooney will be back on Wednesday to partner Owen but I still stand by my opinion that Crouch isn't the 3rd best English striker. Taking out 1 season wonders I'd put Defoe at number 3.
ChuckleBantam
10-09-2005, 11:57 AM
Shearer doesn't say anything I haven't. He's not first choice and he did ok yesterday (not shite or dogshit, but ok). He didn't comment on the players who were less than ok, of which they were a few, so your clutching at your usual straws thinking he's criticizing Crouch there Thorney. Unless you are a mindreader you cannot say what Alan Shearer thinks, he said he's unsure, same as I am, but he's a good option for England and he proved that yesterday. He's no Owen or No Rooney, but even at Interbational level, he'll cause problems like he did yesterday for Austria. But for anybody to say that Crouch had a shit game (when a former England Captain says he did Ok and a former England manager says he played well) knows jack about footy. And for someone to back that up with a call to sack the manager that has qualified for the World cup with a game to spare, well that is someone who knows Complete Fuck all about footy.
king billy
10-09-2005, 11:58 AM
You forgot Geoff Thomas aswell Thorney....
Changing the subject slightly, with hindsight i don't think Taylor did much wrong - i think we had our rosy tints on in them days - at the end of the day we went through a period of having a shit England team - players like Thomas and Palmer were the best we had at that time - ie, shit!!
ChuckleBantam
10-09-2005, 12:05 PM
Graham Taylors tenure as England manager was let down by one thing...the players. Even the skilled and great amongst them let the side down time after time. I remember after Glenn Hoddle (so called tactical genius) played a formation against Italy at Wembly that completely fucked up and cost us the game, one of the Heavyweight Journos (think it was Hugh Mcilvenhy at the Times) saying that Hoddle should be crucified, because Graham Taylor was crucified for a lot less.
At the End of the Day Thorndyke, Graham Taylor wasn't the greatest England manager, but when he talks about football and you talk about football I know which one is the better qualified. Likewise,If I wanted advice on GTA San Andreas for the X-Box, I wouldn't give Turnip a ring before I'd spoken to your goodself.
Personnally I wouldn't say anyone who has a different opinion know feck all about footy.
Everyone's different and everyone see things in a different way, we all have our own opinions and just because they differ from what someone else thinks they are not wrong.
The only reason these threads appear is because people have a difference of opinion, imagine if everyone what the same opinion the thread would go something like this.
Post 1
England Played well yesterday.
Post 2
Yeah they did.
Post 3
Thats what I thought.
Take away the difference of opinions or ridicule someone for it and you take away the debate.
BTW - I don't have a XBOX so your probably better talking to Adie:D
tony d
10-09-2005, 12:12 PM
Chuckles it isnt Thorney talking shite ...
What match did you watch yesterday... By the sounds of it only the highlights from www.Petercrouchpersonalmatchreview@imalankystreako fpisscom
He was piss poor.... England have a lot better options than him...What was needed yesterday was a simmilar player to Owen... But one that works the opposite side....
Bent, Defoe, Rooney would of excelled yesterday.. There was so much ball available to attack..
Crouch is shite....Wake up and smell the coffee Chuckles...:D
robbieu
10-09-2005, 12:14 PM
Chuckle, a few weeks ago you stitched up the Sven haters with a concise and reasoned debate, you evidenced your opinions succinctly and you did it with reasoned argument. At the end of that particular post the Sven haters were flapping in defeat and coming out with some right shit ( not having a leg to stand on) I thought you did superb and said so at the time.
Thorney has done to you what you did to them, just take it with dignity. Crouch was abysmal yesterday, you rate him fair enough, but there is no way you can justify is selection and rate that performance, if you do you just make yourself sound silly.
no offence
king billy
10-09-2005, 12:15 PM
Tony - that link don't work?......:confused:
Going back to the Ironic Cheers whenever Crouch touched the ball yesterday, I did hear correctly didn't I everyone I spoke to heard them, maybe beerbantam who was at the game can confirm this.
ChuckleBantam
10-09-2005, 12:18 PM
Thornedyke....Beerbantam thought Luke Young was "Awesome" yesterday, so why on Earth would I wan to give credibility to owt else he has to offer on yesterdays game??
Chuckle, a few weeks ago you stitched up the Sven haters with a concise and reasoned debate, you evidenced your opinions succinctly and you did it with reasoned argument. At the end of that particular post the Sven haters were flapping in defeat and coming out with some right shit ( not having a leg to stand on) I thought you did superb and said so at the time.
Thorney has done to you what you did to them, just take it with dignity. Crouch was abysmal yesterday, you rate him fair enough, but there is no way you can justify is selection and rate that performance, if you do you just make yourself sound silly.
no offence
So you can HONESTLY with no prejudice say that Peter Crouch (He was the tall dude, playing Number 9 BTW) was the worst England player on the pitch yesterday??
Thornedyke....Beerbantam thought Luke Young was "Awesome" yesterday, so why on Earth would I wan to give credibility to owt else he has to offer on yesterdays game??
I wouldn't go as far as awesome but I think he was more than capable of the job he was asked to do and justified his selection.
ChuckleBantam
10-09-2005, 12:22 PM
Giving the ball away time after time up by the opposition's corner flag justifies his selection?? Or were you too busy watching Crouch thread yet another pass through to Owen and thinking of how you could criticise him for it at the time??
tony d
10-09-2005, 12:25 PM
Yes Thorney i wrote that last night...The crowd did grief old Crouchy for alot of the second half...
Ironic cheers were in heard ... Sky sports news has been going on about it all day...
Strange you havent heard them chuckles do the blinker stretch round that far mate????????
Luke Young had a good game... Good over lapping steady at the back... He will be on the plane... Neville Gary that is not shakey Phil will no doubt be No1 but thats only right ...
Barmy
10-09-2005, 12:31 PM
Giving the ball away time after time up by the opposition's corner flag justifies his selection?? Or were you too busy watching Crouch thread yet another pass through to Owen and thinking of how you could criticise him for it at the time??
PMSL, this thread is quality...
Chuckle, take of yer Crouch tinted glasses mate, the guy were shite and thats been kind.. he had a couple of good touches, 2 headers on goal, 1 been about 8-10 yards out and free, both straight to the keeper..
you can count on one hand the amount of headers he won when the ball was hit up to him (lost count how many he lost).
There was a reason nearly 60000 odd fans were givin him 'ironic' cheers when ever he touched the ball towards the end of the game...
robbieu
10-09-2005, 12:33 PM
Giving the ball away time after time up by the opposition's corner flag justifies his selection?? Or were you too busy watching Crouch thread yet another pass through to Owen and thinking of how you could criticise him for it at the time??
You definetly were watching another game.
Im serious, everyone has got their wires crossed. Hope you enjoyed your game
ChuckleBantam
10-09-2005, 01:21 PM
Just read the Sunday Papers, whilst none of the ratings give motm to Crouch, which I never said he was, every single one; Mirror, NotW, People and Express ALL mark him at 6 or Higher and every single one marks him above the Darling of Claret and Banter; Joe Cole who gets no higher than 5 out of 10 (surely circus boy has finally burnt his bridges with England now??!!). He out performs Beckham in all of them and Young in two of them. In every rating there is only Lamps, Terry and Gerrard that outscore him everytime. The majority of the players all get 6 out of 10.Which on the back of a competent, safety first England performance marred by a shockingly incorrect sending off, is about right.
From the Sporting Life;
The pressure was building and finally it paid off. ONCE AGAIN, CROUCH was at the centre of the move, flicking the ball to Owen, who was held back by Paul Scharner and duly earned a penalty.
Crouch's ONLY fault was his lack of goal threat after eight games without finding the net for Liverpool.
So.....given that he was ACTUALLY the worse player on the pitch I find all the above professional opinions difficult to believe.
tony d
10-09-2005, 01:29 PM
Crouch's ONLY fault was his lack of goal threat after eight games without finding the net for Liverpool.
That line really gives it away Chuckle...FFS
Paul Robinsons ONLY fault was his lack of Goalkeeping ability after eight games without making a save for Spurs.....
Or
John Terrys ONLY fault was his lack of defensive ability after eight games without making a tackle for Chelsea....
Chuckles if you watched the match you know he isnt International quality..
tony d
10-09-2005, 01:43 PM
From the Sunday People, first paper i have looked at Chuckles...:p
Beckham has, in general, been an admirable England captain. But the claims of alternative candidates - and of Gerrard in particular - grew stronger.
Let's face it, Beckham, fitness permitting, will lead the nation into World Cup 2006. His team, though, will have to find a new gear if they are to make an impact.
This was as disjointed as Peter Crouch. Poor Crouch.
Eventually, the crowd got on his back. And that's some feat.
Crouch played his part in the victory but his international career will surely be brief.
By now, there are few beings alive that don't know Crouch has got a great touch for a big man. Shame he's not great in the air. His first-half attempt from a Gerrard cross that begged to have the air headed out of it was no more than a nod to say hello.
But Crouch does have a few saving graces. While he shows little belligerence in attacking the aerial ball - Spike Lee may have been right when he claimed white men can't jump - his flicks can be effectively adept.
So it proved when he brushed Luke Young's chip into Michael Owen, who cleverly became engaged in an armlock with Paul Scharner.
ChuckleBantam
10-09-2005, 02:28 PM
Crouch played his part in the victory
Are the words you should be trying to get to sink in.
The Copy of the Sunday People I read today actually described Crouch as "Useful" when commenting on his performance.
tony d
10-09-2005, 02:38 PM
Everyone played their part in the victory, the coaching staff, the kit man the coach driver, the crowd etc etc...#
The highlighted part is the bit seemingly only YOU have to get to sink in..
That rport is straight from the Sunday People chuckle word for word...
ChuckleBantam
10-09-2005, 03:10 PM
Also word for Word from the same Newspaper
Peter Crouch;
He certainly put himself about and had a hand or head in the breakthrough penalty won by Michael Owen. Size will always make him an awkward opponent but now we know he is more than a one trick circus act
Useful 6 out of 10
Joe Cole;
Lost posession too many times, distribution was often dodgy and failed to pick out the killer pass. But the left flank is not his natural position. No surprise when he was substituted, despite Beckham going.
Unconvincing 5 out of 10
tony d
10-09-2005, 03:51 PM
Skys ratings on the left ...Fans ratings on the right...
Luke Young????? Well what a suprise eh!!!
http://home.skysports.com/matchratings.asp?fxid=266454&clid=114&cpid=426&v=yes
Sentamu Bantam
10-09-2005, 04:27 PM
The question all readers of this thread want answering dudes is;
Is black white?
'I know!'
tony d
10-09-2005, 04:48 PM
The question all readers of this thread want answering dudes is;
Is black white?
'I know!'
Only if i say so...;) ;)
ChuckleBantam
10-10-2005, 08:42 AM
http://www.thefa.com/England/SeniorTeam/NewsAndFeatures/Postings/2004/07/EnglandvAustria_CrouchReaction.htm
tony d
10-10-2005, 04:29 PM
Crouch answers to the press...:D
Peter Crouch is hoping England can score at least one fookin goal against Poland after he made a laughable Laurel and Hardy style home debut against Austria.
The Liverpool striker depressed as the Three Lions beat Austria 1-0 to qualify for the World Cup Finals, and now he is ready to go into hiding for Wednesday's clash against the Poles to stop the ridicule.
He said: "The lads have to go into the Poland game with the same attitude.But he stressed this time they will have 11 players at the start of the match instead of 10 and a fookin lanky waste of space who couldnt score in an empty net if the ball was on the goal line and he had a free run up.."
Crouch was pleased with his performance against the Austrians as he knows he's shite so lived up to his own low expectaions in his partnership with Michael Owen.
He said: "It was good with Michael. It works well, he's a top class player and im a lanky twat.
"At the end it was difficult up there on my own. But I thought we coped with it well, by the lads not wasting their time passing to me. We got the result and that's what matters...Right im off to catch my plane to Siberia to freeze my lanky goal shy arse off.."
ChuckleBantam
10-10-2005, 05:51 PM
The Daily Mirror;
Peter Crouch;
EXCELLENT first half while his hold off play and lay offs made him a real THREAT. Shows real PROMISE 6 out of 10
The Sun;
Peter Crouch
Faded a little after a DECENT FIRST HALF SHOW. But it would have taken a superhuman performance from him to keep Rooney out of Wednesdays clash with Poland. 6 out of 10
Can't see the words dogshit or lanky streak of piss anywhere there at all.
In fact both those ratings say exactly what I have said all along. But like the people paid by those two papers I say what I see not what I think I should be saying thatI see.
Debate closed.
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