How would you like to see the England team on Saturday?

[Rick]

Your the England Manager on Saturday, Rooney's out and so is Ashley Cole & Neville how would you like to see the team line up?

Personally my self I'd like to be more creative formation to be setup in the following way. After all we are at home to Austria and with no worldclass fullbacks availible I think we should revert to 3 at the back with a holding midfielder to free up both Lampard and Gerrard and allow them to get forward.

This is my opinion and I realise the chances of this formation being played are slim to none.

-----------Robinson------------

---Campbell-Terry-Carragher----

------------Carrick-------------
Beckham-Lampard-Gerrard-J Cole

----------Bent-Owen-----------

Any thoughts?

[Barmy]

-----------Robinson------------

---Campbell-Terry-Carragher----

------------Carrick-------------
Beckham-Lampard-Gerrard-J Cole

----------Bent-Owen-----------

Any thoughts?
Would pretty much agree with that mate, specially up front. Was thinkin 3 at back me self tho would have King in the holding role (Carrick injured?)..

Saw on SSN yesterday the last time England played with both Neville and Cole out was when we lost to Scotland 1-0 at Wembley.

[tony d]

------------Robinson----------------
Young------Terry---Campbell----Warnock

Beckham----Gerrard--Lampard------Cole

------------Bent-----Owen---------------

Very simmilar to you there Beer... I would still choose a proper left back like Warnock ahead of a great centre half and once upon a time left back in Carragher.... King also has played there, more recently than Carragher too...

Cole for me edges out Richardson... I think he offers more in his game at the moment....

Strike force would have to be Bent and Owen... Even Defoe who i rate highly shouldnt be put in front of our most in form striker Mr Darren Bent....

[tony d]

Id have Cole normally too, he is injured though isnt he?


Joe Cole????? Not heard..If so Richardson no probs...:D

[Parrot]

Parrots Austrian bashers:D

---Robinson---

---Young---Campbell---Terry---Konchesky---

---Beckham---Lampard---Gerrard---Cole---

---Crouch---Owen---

[ChuckleBantam]

This is my opinion and I realise the chances of this formation being played are slim to none.

Thank F*ck!!!!

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This is the team to see both the Austrians and Poles off.

Replace "Secret Weapon" with "Boy Wonder" for the Poland game Take Bent off the Bench and Put Secret Weapon there for the Poland Game. Under NO circumstances, let Joe "Gerry Cottle" Cole anywhere near the squad for these games.

Robinson

Carragher Terry Campbell P Neville


Richardson Lampard Gerrard Beckham


Owen Crouch


Subs;
Kirkland
Ferdinand
King
Smith
Light Phillips
Bent
Defoe

[tony d]

Thank F*ck!!!!

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This is the team to see both the Austrians and Poles off.

Replace "Secret Weapon" with "Boy Wonder" for the Poland game Take Bent off the Bench and Put Secret Weapon there for the Poland Game. Under NO circumstances, let Joe "Gerry Cottle" Cole anywhere near the squad for these games.

Robinson

Carragher Terry Campbell P Neville


Richardson Lampard Gerrard Beckham


Owen Crouch


Subs;
Kirkland
Ferdinand
King
Smith
Light Phillips
Bent
Defoe

Phil Neville chuckles even you must be joking.... Its bad enough that Crouch is in there... But Neville mate.:mad:

[ChuckleBantam]

He's more experience and more ability than Luke Young. Why wouldn't he be there? Both the Neville Brothers are very good footballers.

[tony d]

He's more experience and more ability than Luke Young. Why wouldn't he be there? Both the Neville Brothers are very good footballers.

Young has earned the right to keep his spot and is performing every week for Charlton...

Neville isnt for Everton and the best player should get the slot in my mind...

If it aint broke dont fix it m8...

Young will keep his place im sure...;)

[Barmy]

the Neville Brothers are very good footballers.
Not at left back tho. :D

[ChuckleBantam]

Were not discussing Left back, we are disgussing right back Barmy. Phil Neville Has represented both Man Yoo and England at Left Back though. He is very versatile. Like Carragher, a very useful squad player.

Young looked out of his depth in the Wales and Northern Ireland games, though I do agree, he is performing for club consistently, which probably gives him the right to get the nod for the England starting line up. But he will have to show improvement on his last two games IMHO.

[tony d]

Young looked out of his depth in the Wales and Northern Ireland games, though I do agree, he is performing for club consistently, which probably gives him the right to get the nod for the England starting line up. But he will have to show improvement on his last two games IMHO.

Chuckles i dont know if your trying to wind me up but, Young was considered one of our only decent performers in both matches you quoted...

I watched both games as well mate and he solid on the right linking up nicely...Dont know what you was watching mate!!:confused:

[Barmy]

Were not discussing Left back, we are disgussing right back Barmy. Phil Neville Has represented both Man Yoo and England at Left Back though. He is very versatile. Like Carragher, a very useful squad player.
Ah rite ye, its the way you put your team down that got me thinkin that way..

Would still have Young in ahead of Neville at rb tho.

[Rick]

Thank F*ck!!!!

------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is the team to see both the Austrians and Poles off.

Replace "Secret Weapon" with "Boy Wonder" for the Poland game Take Bent off the Bench and Put Secret Weapon there for the Poland Game. Under NO circumstances, let Joe "Gerry Cottle" Cole anywhere near the squad for these games.

Robinson

Carragher Terry Campbell P Neville


Richardson Lampard Gerrard Beckham


Owen Crouch


Subs;
Kirkland
Ferdinand
King
Smith
Light Phillips
Bent
Defoe

You slag my team off but have David "One Foot" Beckham playing on the left, Peter "No Goal" Crouch upfront and Phil "Since I joined Everton we've won once and lost the rest" Neville as full back, why not just have James in goal to round it off;)

At least I put some effort into my team rather than picking a team worse than the one which lost to Northern Ireland.

[ChuckleBantam]

This team must be a wind up?

Having been privvy to your words of "knowledge" and "wisdom" on the beautiful game first hand, I dunno how you have the cheek, I really don't *shakesheadandpissesmyselflaughing*


You slag my team off but have David "One Foot" Beckham playing on the left.

I set the team out at my left and right as I looked at it, as you full well know Mr Point Scorer, given the left back is behind the left winger and the right back behind right midfielder unless you were just a bit dummb to notice perhaps??

Ah rite ye, its the way you put your team down that got me thinkin that way..

Would still have Young in ahead of Neville at rb tho.

To each their own, but Young isn't good enough or experienced enough for these two games. The Right hand side of defence will be too wide open with Young there, it needs the experience and disicpline of a campaigner like Neville who is a more than competent right back (these neville brothers are Crap Wallahs make me laugh, so crap they have been capped by four seperate England managers and have pushing 120 caps between em...it's cos they're shit you know...yeah right!!)

[Rick]

Mr Point Scorer

PMFSL, if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is :D :D :D :D

[ChuckleBantam]

Oh but your talent for it is something the rest of us can merely aspire to Oh Great Mr Moderator.

[Rick]

I don't go out to point score on anyone, infact I have absolutely no interest in point scoring or whatever that entails, maybe when I was 5 or 6 I did with comments like my dad's car is bigger than yours and my house is better than yours but I left all that behind.

I'd like to debate the strengths and weaknesses of the England Squad and what variations people have on the team and formation without reverting to calling people dumb.

Going back to the thread, personally I wanted to try something different from what most people know will be Svens team for tomorrow and Wednesday.

Just a question for you to answer for me if you would be so kind,

To each their own, but Young isn't good enough or experienced enough for these two games

Richardson and Crouch are both selected in your team, but they only have a couple of caps between then, Richardson doesn't play every week and Crouch can't score. My question is what do these two players have over Young on the basis of your statement to warrent a starting place?

Surely Joe Cole and even Owen Hargreaves are more experienced than Richardson who has only scored a couple of goals in a two bob international in the USA.

I'm against playing Crouch fullstop as I feel like with Liverpool, the team will revert to banging the ball into the box and play a style of football that is usually seen in league 1. Five in midfield in my opinon wouldn't give the Austrians a chance to get out of their own half. Carrick would free both Gerrard and Lampard to play the kind of game they play for their clubs and be at their best. We are missing our best fullbacks so why comprimise with second rate players when we can play any 3 from Terry, Campbell, Carragher and Rio and use our better players. Carragher can cover one wing with Campbell the other so at anyone time there are two centre backs, Austria can't attack down both wings at the same time, plus the extra midfielders should do more than enought to break up the Austrian attacks before they get going.

[ChuckleBantam]

I don't go out to point score on anyone, infact I have absolutely no interest in point scoring or whatever that entails, maybe when I was 5 or 6 I did with comments like my dad's car is bigger than yours and my house is better than yours but I left all that behind.

I'd like to debate the strengths and weaknesses of the England Squad and what variations people have on the team and formation without reverting to calling people dumb.

Going back to the thread, personally I wanted to try something different from what most people know will be Svens team for tomorrow and Wednesday.

Just a question for you to answer for me if you would be so kind,



Richardson and Crouch are both selected in your team, but they only have a couple of caps between then, Richardson doesn't play every week and Crouch can't score. My question is what do these two players have over Young on the basis of your statement to warrent a starting place?

Surely Joe Cole and even Owen Hargreaves are more experienced than Richardson who has only scored a couple of goals in a two bob international in the USA.

I'm against playing Crouch fullstop as I feel like with Liverpool, the team will revert to banging the ball into the box and play a style of football that is usually seen in league 1. Five in midfield in my opinon wouldn't give the Austrians a chance to get out of their own half. Carrick would free both Gerrard and Lampard to play the kind of game they play for their clubs and be at their best. We are missing our best fullbacks so why comprimise with second rate players when we can play any 3 from Terry, Campbell, Carragher and Rio and use our better players. Carragher can cover one wing with Campbell the other so at anyone time there are two centre backs, Austria can't attack down both wings at the same time, plus the extra midfielders should do more than enought to break up the Austrian attacks before they get going.

Richardson has already shown enough in an England shirt in his one game to show he's competent enough to make that left sided slot his own. Joe Cole is a poor player that disguises what he can't do with what he can, circus tricks that get him nowhere, he's also not a left winger like Richardson, he's a midfielder who occasionally plays on the letf.

Crouch is there because he's a good footballer that deserves a chance. He can offer something different too. For somebody such as yourself who has an opinion on everything, just judging a footballer because of the way he looks seems a bit shallow. You say he cannot score goals and is crap. He scored something like 15 goals in 18 appearances in the Premier League last season and has a combined transfer fee of 15.5 Million quid. The manager of the European Champions has just shelled out 7.5 Million quid foir him, but what do they know at the side of The Top Table and the Goderator eh?

The defence is a different kettle of fish altogether. We need 100% concentration and experience, Young hasn't shown he can do that. He was caught out of position quite a lot during his last two appearances. Neville is the safe unspectacular option in the absence of his brother.

[Rick]

I just don't rate Crouch what so ever, I think he is another Ashley Ward, looks good in a crap team (Ward for Barnsley, Crouch for Southampton) then gets himself a transfer and a huge wad of cash.

The thing that annoys me is that if Bent had played the way he has this season for Liverpool instead of Charlton he would be in the team tomorrow, I think it is wrong that players get picked because of who they play for and not for what they can do, I think Crouch will get the nod tomorrow but because he plays for liverpool and Bent doesn't. Alan Smith and Danny Murphy is another example of how the team is the primary selection for a player. No matter what a player will do for Wigan, Bolton, etc this season they won't get a place in the England team, they may get a run out with the squad but won't be given a fair shot. Does anyone else agree with this?

[ChuckleBantam]

I just don't rate Crouch what so ever, I think he is another Ashley Ward, looks good in a crap team (Ward for Barnsley, Crouch for Southampton) then gets himself a transfer and a huge wad of cash.

The thing that annoys me is that if Bent had played the way he has this season for Liverpool instead of Charlton he would be in the team tomorrow, I think it is wrong that players get picked because of who they play for and not for what they can do, I think Crouch will get the nod tomorrow but because he plays for liverpool and Bent doesn't. Alan Smith and Danny Murphy is another example of how the team is the primary selection for a player. No matter what a player will do for Wigan, Bolton, etc this season they won't get a place in the England team, they may get a run out with the squad but won't be given a fair shot. Does anyone else agree with this?

No disrespect Thorney...But thats a crock of bollocks Crouch got his first England cap whilst playing for Southampton anyway.

[Rick]

In your opinion it is but everyone has different opinions, How many starts has Crouch got for England in competitive games?

[Barmy]

The thing that annoys me is that if Bent had played the way he has this season for Liverpool instead of Charlton he would be in the team tomorrow, I think it is wrong that players get picked because of who they play for and not for what they can do.
Re Bent/Crouch id agree Thorney, was thinkin the same t'other day int pub, if Bent had been at one of the 'top' clubs scorin like he has been he'd of been a cert for the startin line up.

[ChuckleBantam]

Hello...sven Sven!! Drop Crouch At Once Don't Listen To Rafa Benitez, Harry Redknapp And Gerry Francis....thorney And Barmy Don't Rate Him!!

[Yeadon Bantam]

Phil Neville has to be the biggest flop ever, he keeps getting sent off ffs

[Rick]

Hello...sven Sven!! Drop Crouch At Once Don't Listen To Rafa Benitez, Harry Redknapp And Gerry Francis....thorney And Barmy Don't Rate Him!!

Could say the same about Joe Cole.

Plus the title of this thread is how would YOU like to see the England team on Saturday, so what Sven and such think doesn't really matter.

[ChuckleBantam]

Could say the same about Joe Cole.

Plus the title of this thread is how would YOU like to see the England team on Saturday, so what Sven and such think doesn't really matter.



Hey hey shhh shhh shhh there there

http://www.phisinc.com/images/cms_upload/cry%20baby.jpg

[king billy]

Crouch SHOULD play - lets see what him and Owen can do - it offers something different!!

Bent (like Andy Johnson) will be a one season wonder - bet you owt....;)

[Rick]

Great debate there Chuckle, is that a snap of you?

[ChuckleBantam]

Ooooooh Thorney, on the Ropes immediatley retailiates with a "No You Are" response,whilst Chuckle hovers for the Kill...

[Rick]

Ooooooh Thorney, on the Ropes immediatley retailiates with a "No You Are" response,whilst Chuckle hovers for the Kill...

HA HA, on the ropes, I still haven't seen a valid arguement for Crouch being in the side.

If Crouch looked like Drogba did on Sunday I'd have him right in the squad on merit but as he looked like Ashley Ward last week I don't think he merits a place.

It's all well and good posting funny pictures and funny remarks but it doesn't really give evidence for having Crouch in the side.

[ChuckleBantam]

The fact he's a good player who causes defences a boatload of trouble whilst having a good goalscoring record and being in good form for Liverpool are my reasons. Alongside the mouthwatering prospects of him being on the end of David Beckham quality balls, the amount of free kicks he will win and the scraps Owen will feed off because of Crouch's hard work are all good enough reason's for me.

So your reasons for Darren Bent., a player I'd bet good money on you never having seen him in anything other than glimpses of the "todays other games" on Match of The Day, are exactly??

[Rick]

So your reasons for Darren Bent., a player I'd bet good money on you never having seen him in anything other than glimpses of the "todays other games" on Match of The Day, are exactly??

Well I ain't seen him live if thats what you mean as I'm usually watch City, I've just seen extended highlights of him in games. This mostly is down to the fact Charlton are a team who are not featured on TV that often. He moves well off the ball, has pace and is a handfull in the air and most importantly he scores goals.

I'd like to say Crouch is creating chances but Liverpool have only totalled 4 goals this season, Chelsea scored that on Sunday and it was their big man who created all four.

I've no shame in admitting I'm wrong at times and if Crouch scores a hat trick tomorrow I'll hold my hands up and say well done, I also don't want Crouch to fail just to prove a point.

[ChuckleBantam]

Do you not think 15 in 18 can be described as "Scores Goals"??

[Rick]

Do you not think 15 in 18 can be described as "Scores Goals"??

Stats can be used to prove anything,

Crouch this season played 8 (in all competitions) scored 0.
Bent this season played 8 (in all competitions) scored 8.

Anyway thanks for this afternoon, it's made my day fly nearly time for home now.:D

[ChuckleBantam]

Stats can be used to prove anything,

Crouch this season played 8 (in all competitions) scored 0.
Bent this season played 8 (in all competitions) scored 8.

Anyway thanks for this afternoon, it's made my day fly nearly time for home now.:D

How about these Stats then;

As of tomorrow at 6pm;

Crouch England Caps; 2

Bent England Caps; Nah-naaaaarrrr

Because, praise the lord for small mercies, you aint picking the England Team.

[Rick]

How about these Stats then;

As of tomorrow at 6pm;

Crouch England Caps; 2

Bent England Caps; Nah-naaaaarrrr

Because, praise the lord for small mercies, you aint picking the England Team.

Maybe Sven will suprise us all and play Defoe and Owen tomorrow:eek:

[ChuckleBantam]

Maybe Sven will suprise us all and play Defoe and Owen tomorrow:eek:

If he does, I may join in for calls for his head!

[tony d]

Where to start.....

If you take away all Phil Nevilles caps from when he played on the left side due to us having no other viable options how many caps would he really have...

Young will play on the right ...


To say Crouch should play in front of Bent or Defoe is laughable at best.

Bent is an out an out striker who can do it all... Hes also scored 8 in 8.. Thats goals you know things that strikers are supposed to do..

The he scores goals thing is also not a good enough reason..

Defoe has scored more than him and is scoring goals this season too...He also has more caps so in your thinking has more experience and that puts him ahead of Bent and crouch..

Crouch has scored none and is a poor signing...

Nowthe he cost 7.5 million so the European Champions cannot be wrong can they????...mmmmmmm How much was your fave Heskey bought for???????

Your arguments are so flawed its untrue... More side switching than an Italian during the second world war...

I have watched Crouch, Bent and Defoe numerous times this season and if Sven wont play Defoe because he is too much like Owen then Bent offers more than Crouch ever could the boy cannot even win headers against the better sides...

[robbieu]

If you take away all Phil Nevilles caps from when he played on the left side due to us having no other viable options how many caps would he really have

You could say that about any player Tony, if there is someone better or more viable, appearance are bound to be fewer.

If you take away all Peter Shiltons caps from when he played in goal due to us having no other viable options how many caps would he really have

The answer: 0 instead of 125

[robbieu]

Caps Date Venue Opponent Score Competition
1 25/11/70 London East Germany 3-1
2 19/ 5/71 London Wales 0-0 British Championship
3 10/11/71 London Switzerland 1-1 European Champ. Qual.
4 23/ 5/72 London N. Ireland 0-1 British Championship
5 11/10/72 London Yugoslavia 1-1
6 14/ 2/73 Glasgow Scotland 5-0
7 12/ 5/73 Liverpool N. Ireland 2-1 British Championship
8 15/ 5/73 London Wales 3-0 British Championship
9 19/ 5/73 London Scotland 1-0 British Championship
10 27/ 5/73 Praha Czechoslovakia 1-1
11 6/ 6/73 Chorzów Poland 0-2 World Cup Qualifier
12 10/ 6/73 Moskva Soviet Union 2-1
13 14/ 6/73 Torino Italy 0-2
14 26/ 9/73 London Austria 7-0
15 17/10/73 London Poland 1-1 World Cup Qualifier
16 14/11/73 London Italy 0-1
17 11/ 5/74 Cardiff Wales 2-0 British Championship
18 15/ 5/74 London N. Ireland 1-0 British Championship
19 18/ 5/74 Glasgow Scotland 0-2 British Championship
20 22/ 5/74 London Argentina 2-2
21 16/ 4/75 London Cyprus 5-0 European Champ. Qual.
22 28/ 5/77 Belfast N. Ireland 2-1 British Championship
23 31/ 5/77 London Wales 0-1 British Championship
24 13/ 5/78 Cardiff Wales 3-1 British Championship
25 24/ 5/78 London Hungary 4-1
26 29/11/78 London Czechoslovakia 1-0
27 10/ 6/79 Stockholm Sweden 0-0
28 13/ 6/79 Wien Austria 3-4
29 17/10/79 Belfast N. Ireland 5-1 European Champ. Qual.
30 26/ 3/80 Barcelona Spain 2-0
31 15/ 6/80 Torino Italy 0-1 European Championship
32 10/ 9/80 London Norway 4-0 World Cup Qualifier
33 19/11/80 London Switzerland 2-1 World Cup Qualifier
34 29/ 4/81 London Romania 0-0 World Cup Qualifier
35 18/11/81 London Hungary 1-0 World Cup Qualifier
36 25/ 5/82 London Netherlands 2-0
37 29/ 5/82 Glasgow Scotland 1-0 British Championship
38 16/ 6/82 Bilbao France 3-1 World Cup
39 20/ 6/82 Bilbao Czechoslovakia 2-0 World Cup
40 25/ 6/82 Bilbao Kuwait 1-0 World Cup
41 29/ 6/82 Madrid West Germany 0-0 World Cup
42 5/ 7/82 Madrid Spain 0-0 World Cup
43 22/ 9/82 København Denmark 2-2 European Champ. Qual.
44 13/10/82 London West Germany 1-2
45 17/11/82 Thessaloniki Greece 3-0 European Champ. Qual.
46 23/ 2/83 London Wales 2-1 British Championship
47 30/ 3/83 London Greece 0-0 European Champ. Qual.
48 27/ 4/83 London Hungary 2-0 European Champ. Qual.
49 28/ 5/83 Belfast N. Ireland 0-0 British Championship
50 1/ 6/83 London Scotland 2-0 British Championship
51 12/ 6/83 Sydney Australia 0-0
52 15/ 6/83 Brisbane Australia 1-0
53 19/ 6/83 Melbourne Australia 1-1
54 21/ 9/83 London Denmark 0-1 European Champ. Qual.
55 12/10/83 Budapest Hungary 3-0 European Champ. Qual.
56 29/ 2/84 Paris France 0-2
57 4/ 4/84 London N. Ireland 1-0 British Championship
58 2/ 5/84 Wrexham Wales 0-1 British Championship
59 26/ 5/84 Glasgow Scotland 1-1 British Championship
60 2/ 6/84 London Soviet Union 0-2
61 10/ 6/84 Rio de Janeiro Brazil 2-0
62 13/ 6/84 Montevideo Uruguay 0-2
63 17/ 6/84 Santiago Chile 0-0
64 12/ 9/84 London East Germany 1-0
65 17/10/84 London Finland 5-0 World Cup Qualifier
66 14/11/84 Istanbul Turkey 8-0 World Cup Qualifier
67 27/ 2/85 Belfast N. Ireland 1-0 World Cup Qualifier
68 1/ 5/85 Bucuresti Romania 0-0 World Cup Qualifier
69 22/ 5/85 Helsinki Finland 1-1 World Cup Qualifier
70 25/ 5/85 Glasgow Scotland 0-1
71 6/ 6/85 Cd. de México Italy 1-2 City Tournament
72 12/ 6/85 Cd. de México West Germany 3-0 City Tournament
73 11/ 9/85 London Romania 1-1 World Cup Qualifier
74 16/10/85 London Turkey 5-0 World Cup Qualifier
75 13/11/85 London N. Ireland 0-0 World Cup Qualifier
76 29/ 1/86 Cairo Egypt 4-0
77 26/ 2/86 Tel Aviv Israel 2-1
78 26/ 3/86 Tbilisi Soviet Union 1-0
79 23/ 4/86 London Scotland 2-1
80 17/ 5/86 Los Angeles Mexico 3-0
81 24/ 5/86 Burnaby Canada 1-0
82 3/ 6/86 Monterrey Portugal 0-1 World Cup
83 6/ 6/86 Monterrey Morocco 0-0 World Cup
84 11/ 6/86 Monterrey Poland 3-0 World Cup
85 18/ 6/86 Cd. de México Paraguay 3-0 World Cup
86 22/ 6/86 Cd. de México Argentina 1-2 World Cup
87 10/ 9/86 Stockholm Sweden 0-1
88 15/10/86 London N. Ireland 3-0 European Champ. Qual.
89 18/ 2/87 Madrid Spain 4-2
90 1/ 4/87 Belfast N. Ireland 2-0 European Champ. Qual.
91 19/ 5/87 London Brazil 1-1 Stanley Rous Cup
92 9/ 9/87 Düsseldorf West Germany 1-3
93 14/10/87 London Turkey 8-0 European Champ. Qual.
94 11/11/87 Beograd Yugoslavia 4-1 European Champ. Qual.
95 23/ 3/88 London Netherlands 2-2
96 21/ 5/88 London Scotland 1-0 Stanley Rous Cup
97 24/ 5/88 London Colombia 1-1 Stanley Rous Cup
98 28/ 5/88 Lausanne Switzerland 1-0
99 12/ 6/88 Stuttgart Ireland 0-1 European Championship
100 15/ 6/88 Düsseldorf Netherlands 1-3 European Championship
101 14/ 9/88 London Denmark 1-0
102 19/10/88 London Sweden 0-0 World Cup Qualifier
103 8/ 2/89 Athinai Greece 2-1
104 8/ 3/89 Tiranë Albania 2-0 World Cup Qualifier
105 26/ 4/89 London Albania 5-0 World Cup Qualifier
106 23/ 5/89 London Chile 0-0 Stanley Rous Cup
107 27/ 5/89 Glasgow Scotland 2-0 Stanley Rous Cup
108 3/ 6/89 London Poland 3-0 World Cup Qualifier
109 7/ 6/89 København Denmark 1-1
110 6/ 9/89 Stockholm Sweden 0-0 World Cup Qualifier
111 11/10/89 Chorzów Poland 0-0 World Cup Qualifier
112 15/11/89 London Italy 0-0
113 23/12/89 London Yugoslavia 2-1
114 28/ 3/90 London Brazil 1-0
115 25/ 4/90 London Czechoslovakia 4-2
116 15/ 5/90 London Denmark 1-0
117 22/ 5/90 London Uruguay 1-2
118 2/ 6/90 Tunis Tunisia 1-1
119 11/ 6/90 Cagliari Ireland 1-1 World Cup
120 16/ 6/90 Cagliari Netherlands 0-0 World Cup
121 21/ 6/90 Cagliari Egypt 1-0 World Cup
122 26/ 6/90 Bologna Belgium 1-0 World Cup
123 1/ 7/90 Napoli Cameroon 3-2 World Cup
124 4/ 7/90 Torino West Germany 1-1 (1) World Cup
125 7/ 7/90 Bari Italy 1-2 World Cup

[tony d]

You could say that about any player Tony, if there is someone better or more viable, appearance are bound to be fewer.

If you take away all Peter Shiltons caps from when he played in goal due to us having no other viable options how many caps would he really have

The answer: 0 instead of 125

Not really mate as Ray Clemence is the one who lost out there. Clemance in his own right was a world class keeper who had to sit games out due to Shilton always getting the nod......;)

Big Joe Corrigan, Chris Wood he got 50 caps i think......

[robbieu]

You see my point though
Anyway, as you know I share your grave concerns over Crouch but I really cant see Sven picking him over Defoe.

[ChuckleBantam]

Clemence got sixty one caps at the expence of Shilton when they were both at the peaks of their powers. Clemence was always the better keeper IMHO. It was only because Ron Greenwood didn't have the bottle to pick one or the other and started alternating them that Clemence didn't win 100+ Caps. Greenwood eventually wrongly (IMHO) settled for Shilton and he got 125 Caps.

Shilton was too fancy, often opting for the spectacular when a simple catch was sufficient,wheras Clemence always made the right decisions and had nerves of steel

I liked Shilton as a Goalkeeper, but like Seaman he went on too long. His famous lack of decision making when it came to staying in or coming off of his line, alongside his lack of mobility for the shootout in the semi cost us the World Cup in 1990.

[robbieu]

his lack of mobility for the shootout in the semi cost us the World Cup in 1990.

and Psycho and waddle missing them penalties didnt help

[ChuckleBantam]

and Psycho and waddle missing them penalties didnt help

A more capable goalie would have seen there were no need for penalties. But the sad thing is, we didn't have any back up for that tournement. Woods and Beasant were the other squad goalkeepers one was a good goalie playing in a pub league and the other was a pub goalie playing in a good league.

[robbieu]

Always liked Clemence as a goalie. Apparently he was very fond of ahem shall we say less experienced ladies. Allegedly he was banging Ken Dodds neice when she was ahem shall we say of revising age

[tony d]

You see my point though
Anyway, as you know I share your grave concerns over Crouch but I really cant see Sven picking him over Defoe.

I do mate ...:)

Neville did a job when there was no real options but now there is and for me anyway

Young is a better right back..Even not picked Danny Mills is better..

Warnock, King, Carragher are more worthwhile filling the left back role..

Richardson and Cole are better Left wingers

Centrally well that speaks for itself.....

My point is he doesnt deserve to be even in the squad at the moment let alone be in any position to replace people..

[ChuckleBantam]

Tom O'Connor's Daughter was what I heard, a reet little minx by all accounts...pity she was only 15.

[robbieu]

Tom O'Connor's Daughter was what I heard, a reet little minx by all accounts...pity she was only 15.

You could have heard right then.
Or was it Stan Boardmans god daughter?

[robbieu]

Didnt say I would pick him Tone.
As for Young, Richardson, Warnock and Crouch, this is too big a game to risk emerging players and beanpoles.
My team( for what its worth mate)

Robinson
Terry (right back)
Ferdinand
King
Carragher (left back)
Beckham
Lampard
Gerrard
Wright-Phillips
Owen
Defoe

[Barmy]

Didnt say I would pick him Tone.
As for Young, Richardson, Warnock and Crouch, this is too big a game to risk emerging players and beanpoles.
My team( for what its worth mate)

Robinson
Terry (right back)
Ferdinand
King
Carragher (left back)
Beckham
Lampard
Gerrard
Wright-Phillips
Owen
Defoe
Our best defender at right back? :eek: :confused:

[robbieu]

Hes played right back loads of times for Chelsea. i believe he started his career as a full back ( chuckle will know)
That is a very experienced and a more than capable back four Barmy. as i said before this is not a game to risk emerging players

[ChuckleBantam]

Yes he did, but as a left back.

Carragher can play at both Right or Left, but Left back is where Liverpool tend to use him.

[robbieu]

So chuckles, what do you think of my team?

[ChuckleBantam]

A centre half pairing of King and Ferdinand, with makeshift full backs in support doesn't fill me with much confidence.

I'd not pick any of our defence over Sol Campbell anyway. Not even Bobby Moore Junior :D

It's either Owen OR Defoe not Owen AND Defoe for me.

I'd also pick a natural left footer rather than Shaun Wright Phillips on the Left. SWP has only performed anything like his club form in Friendlies for England and warming the bench at Chelsea will not improve him as a player anyway.

[robbieu]

A centre half pairing of King and Ferdinand, with makeshift full backs in support doesn't fill me with much confidence.

I'd not pick any of our defence over Sol Campbell anyway. Not even Bobby Moore Junior :D

It's either Owen OR Defoe not Owen AND Defoe for me.

I'd also pick a natural left footer rather than Shaun Wright Phillips on the Left. SWP has only performed anything like his club form in Friendlies for England and warming the bench at Chelsea will not improve him as a player anyway.

Yeah but Peter Crouch? I mean Peter Crouch?

[robbieu]

A centre half pairing of King and Ferdinand, with makeshift full backs in support doesn't fill me with much confidence.

I'd not pick any of our defence over Sol Campbell anyway. Not even Bobby Moore Junior :D

It's either Owen OR Defoe not Owen AND Defoe for me.

I'd also pick a natural left footer rather than Shaun Wright Phillips on the Left. SWP has only performed anything like his club form in Friendlies for England and warming the bench at Chelsea will not improve him as a player anyway.

1. Makeshift fullbacks filled you with confidence enough to put Carragher at right-back in your team.

2. You are a fan of Campbell i know. But hes not played at international level for ages and is still regaining fitness.

3. Owen OR Defoe??? All that "they are too similar" shit is bollocks. Paper talk. People who know fuck all about football talk. Both great players who will play well together.