Few Points..

[BantamLad89]

Theres no difference between Loach and Ricketts except Ricketts is a better shot stopper.

Heckingbottom is not good enough.

Moncur makes so much mistakes yet is a quality passer.

Thorne and Daley had no service today, both looked lost and frustrated by the lack of creativity from our midfield.

If you bring Topp on who can deliver a perfect through ball, why put two slow strikers in front of him?:mad:

Why oh why bring Conlon on?

Wheres Medley?:rolleyes:

[Dr Wisey]

Lol about Daley - that fekker just beggars belief - one game on form and the next right down again strolling about.

Medley was playing on his PSP in the Sunwin.

[BBB]

Can somebody please give this lad his own room.

Daley was shit and lazy again but ill put it down to still having Jet Lag,although ill finally admit he did put in a quality cross today well done omar :rolleyes:

[BBB]

Lol about Daley - that fekker just beggars belief - one game on form and the next right down again strolling about.

Medley was playing on his PSP in the Sunwin.

I saw that,dont blame the lad he's done nothing wrong and would be in front of Conlon and Lazy for me.I thought today would have been right up Topps street I really am starting to worry about stuarts tactical ability:mad:

[Yeadon Bantam]

Loach is better than Ricketts.

Moncur was good, shaky 1st half 2nd he was great, nice to see loach just rolling ball to him to pick someone out!

Daley couldnt beat an egg, conlon needs releasing

[BantamLad89]

Daley couldnt beat an egg? People question his effort, he cleally has the ability.

Amazing how he's names been mentioned so much here after a loss, didn't really see it on Tuesday :/

And how is Loach better than Ricketts?

I want a nice discussion about this because Loach hasn't done anything to prove he is better,

He doesn't command (did he collect a cross today, or Tuesday?)

2 shots on goal and both goals.

Donovans a better shot stopper, i'll tell you that.

[BBB]

Daley couldnt beat an egg? People question his effort, he cleally has the ability.

Amazing how he's names been mentioned so much here after a loss, didn't really see it on Tuesday :/

And how is Loach better than Ricketts?

I want a nice discussion about this because Loach hasn't done anything to prove he is better,

He doesn't command (did he collect a cross today, or Tuesday?)

2 shots on goal and both goals.

Donovans a better shot stopper, i'll tell you that.

ur right Donovan is a better shot stopper but isnt as good at everything else...Loach has the defence confident again he shouts at them he postions them correctly.The first goal should have been won by moncur but he left his man the 2nd we were outnumbered and as every goalkeeper is told he covered his front post. Donovan lacks the confidence and seems scared of his back for,Loach bollocked wethers today for fucking about....how many 19 year olds do you think would have the bollox to shout at the club captain and someone who has had the career that Wethers has had. Irf you could put players together i.e Ricketts+Loach....Lazy+Colbeck Thorne+Topp Wethers+Moncur we would have a reet team sadly we cant and we dont

[Jantje]

Daley couldnt beat an egg? People question his effort, he cleally has the ability.

Amazing how he's names been mentioned so much here after a loss, didn't really see it on Tuesday :/



You answered your own question. On Tuesday he was decent, today he never turned up, He looked uninterested and lazy today. Like Alex Rhodes, if he can't manage 2 games a week somethings badly wrong

[BantamLad89]

ur right Donovan is a better shot stopper but isnt as good at everything else...Loach has the defence confident again he shouts at them he postions them correctly.The first goal should have been won by moncur but he left his man the 2nd we were outnumbered and as every goalkeeper is told he covered his front post. Donovan lacks the confidence and seems scared of his back for,Loach bollocked wethers today for fucking about....how many 19 year olds do you think would have the bollox to shout at the club captain and someone who has had the career that Wethers has had. Irf you could put players together i.e Ricketts+Loach....Lazy+Colbeck Thorne+Topp Wethers+Moncur we would have a reet team sadly we cant and we dont

I totally disagree, our defence looks absouloutly terrible, under Ricketts Clarke and Wethers looked good, mainly because Wethers pace was never exposed because everytime they got through on goal Ricketts would come and clear it! (probably because he's really fast)

Loach doesn't collect anything, as didn't Donovan.

BUT, Donovan got slated for not doing that.

Bollocking your defenders is hardly making you a better goalkeeper is it?

No one can deny Clarke looked class with Ricketts behind him and since Loach came in he was dodgy at the back, Donovans voice you can hear miles away.

Loach always looks like he's going to come fopr the ball, then doesn't bother, that confuses his defenders.

Get Don back in, lets see if he does better? We sure do concede alot now he's not in net..

[Jantje]

I totally disagree, our defence looks absouloutly terrible, under Ricketts Clarke and Wethers looked good, mainly because Wethers pace was never exposed because everytime they got 1 on 1 Ricketts would come and clear it!

Loach doesn't collect anything, as didn't Donovan.

BUT, Donovan got slated for not doing that.

Bollocking your defenders is hardly making you a better goalkeeper is it?

No one can deny Clarke looked class with Ricketts behind him and since Loach came in he was dodgy at the back, Donovans voice you can hear miles away.

Loach always looks like he's going to come fopr the ball, then doesn't bother, that confuses his defenders.

Get Don back in, lets see if he does better? We sure do concede alot now he's not in net..

Sorry mate, thats absolute garbage.

Because Donovan wouldn't come for crosses, Wethers and Clarke/Bower dropped deeper and deeper inviting teams onto us. The defence have far more confidence in Loach than Ricketts. Not sure who was supposed to be marking the guy at the back post today but no way was Loach to blame for either goal

[BBB]

I totally disagree, our defence looks absouloutly terrible, under Ricketts Clarke and Wethers looked good, mainly because Wethers pace was never exposed because everytime they got through on goal Ricketts would come and clear it! (probably because he's really fast)

Loach doesn't collect anything, as didn't Donovan.

BUT, Donovan got slated for not doing that.

Bollocking your defenders is hardly making you a better goalkeeper is it?

No one can deny Clarke looked class with Ricketts behind him and since Loach came in he was dodgy at the back, Donovans voice you can hear miles away.

Loach always looks like he's going to come fopr the ball, then doesn't bother, that confuses his defenders.

Get Don back in, lets see if he does better? We sure do concede alot now he's not in net..

You mates with Gazza ????

Its all been banter in the past but im sure your a fucking loon.I dont understand you fascination with jamaicans but its clouding your ability to watch games properly.If what you have put are your honest thoughts then you are totally alone by a fucking mile.Get a grip on reality or fuck off back to the OMB where they all talk shite:flame:

[The Gent]

Have to agree, apart from the wonder penalty double save Vs Macclesfield I can not remember a save that Loach has made. I think neither keepers are good enough but Ricketts is the better of the two. Every cross or shot I think could go in with Loach, at least Ricketts is only weak on crosses. We need a good keeper for next year!!!!

[BantamLad89]

What im thick because you lot don't agree with me? Prove me wrong because i'd say i've got this discussion in the bag..

Loach is massivley overated, I have incidents and facts to help bring my opinion forward, but I get called a loon for doing that?

Your full of shit.

[BantamLad89]

Sorry mate, thats absolute garbage.

Because Donovan wouldn't come for crosses, Wethers and Clarke/Bower dropped deeper and deeper inviting teams onto us. The defence have far more confidence in Loach than Ricketts. Not sure who was supposed to be marking the guy at the back post today but no way was Loach to blame for either goal

But Loach wouldnt come for crosses either!?

Ricketts + Loach don't come for crosses...But Donovans the better shot stopper...

=

Ricketts the better keeper.

Both have the same weak points (collecting crosses) but in there strong points Don is better (shot stopping) which BBB even agreed on.

Ohh and if the defence dropped deeper and deeper..Then why is Donovan always racing out of his goal kicking the ball out?

[Tallinnbantam]

I think the very fact that Loach is in goal and Ricketts isn't, proves who is the better goal keeper. We see them for 90mins each week, but Stu and Jakes who pick the team, see them both everyday.

[Gary1975]

Who cares he is gone in the summer thank fuck possibly one of the worse regular keepers i have seen watching City

[Yeadon Bantam]

Have to agree, apart from the wonder penalty double save Vs Macclesfield I can not remember a save that Loach has made. I think neither keepers are good enough but Ricketts is the better of the two. Every cross or shot I think could go in with Loach, at least Ricketts is only weak on crosses. We need a good keeper for next year!!!!
He made some good stops yesterday, maybe because he doesnt make them look like wonder saves they dont look good?

He made 3 excellent saves vs bury and countless number against rochdale so your view is slightly flawed!

And daley was pants, he did the same stepover 6 million times and how many times did he get past the player? i dont remember him getting past

[briggus]

He made some good stops yesterday, maybe because he doesnt make them look like wonder saves they dont look good?

He made 3 excellent saves vs bury and countless number against rochdale so your view is slightly flawed!

And daley was pants, he did the same stepover 6 million times and how many times did he get past the player? i dont remember him getting past

I am not defending Daley but our pitch (it could not be helped) was like a pudding and slowed the pace of the ball down. It did not help when pushing the ball past their players. Having said that they played on it and adapted to the conditions - so should our team.

As for Loach - he is 19 - Ricketts is much older had more time to build up experience and wants to be away to earn more (understandable even if he was in the team that took us down) - so for me I would stick with Loach.

[Jantje]

What im thick because you lot don't agree with me? Prove me wrong because i'd say i've got this discussion in the bag..

Loach is massivley overated, I have incidents and facts to help bring my opinion forward, but I get called a loon for doing that?

Your full of shit.

Pretty arrogant mate. Just cos everybody disagrees with you, they are all wrong & you are right. I admire you're loyalty but you're fighting a losing battle with this one. I've read 4 Sunday papers this morning and all give Daley the lowest mark, are they also wrong.

Why hasn't Donovan walked straight back into the team if he's so much better than Loach? Both are probably leaving in the summer so theres no long term loyalty issues with the management.

Personally, i think Daley has the talent to scare defences in this league but my problem with him is his complete inconsistency and lazy attitude. His concentration seems to drift at times as well. Maybe thats why he's a 4th Division player and not higher.

[BantamLad89]

Im not saying im right im saying I come across right because I back up my opinions with incidents and facts etc,

Omar was crap yesterday, I can't defend that. But what do you expect? He was a striker getting infuriated with lack of service.

Shouldnt a striker be feeding off things? He gets too singled out IMO.

And Loach couldnt of made a few good stops yesterday 'cos they had 3 on target... I think your making him sound better than he is.

Countless number of saves? My god your brainwashed with shite :| (puss in boots)

(sorry for the arrogance btw)

[Gary1975]

Mate give it up your view of Don is blinkered and you will always see past his faults :(

He is a poor keeper end off the day do the defence trust him NO do the management team at VP trust him NO do the supporters trust him NO

Time to leave Don

On the point of Omar you can see the ability is there but like Petta and like Morrison you can not get by on just ability you have to put the effort as well

Tell you what bud Leigh palin (One for the older ones ) had so much ability going for him yet couldn't be arsed half of the time on the other hand Greg Abbott a player with only a fraction of the ability but would ALWAYS put 100% in to the cause whatever happened.

I bet most teams would have had a team full of Abbotts than Palins because at the end of the day if people see your putting 100% into a game they will rarely have a go at you but when you have all that ability but only turn it on once in a blue moon you set yourself up big time :( for a slating

[BantamLad89]

Is this after Macca said 'I trust Donovan' in the T n A?

I trust him, a few of my mates trust him, it's at least 50/50 on people who think he's good enough, and the fact QPR wanted him says something about the football knowledge of our fans tbh.. I can see Donovans faults, but im not a typical City fan who expects every player to be perfect.

I actually appreciate the fact we have Omar in our squad even if he's a sub player for next season because the guys cleally got the ability, hes 2 years younger than JJ and next season is make or break for the guy, lets hope Macca brings out a new Omar like Todd brought out a new JJ.

[Jantje]

Is this after Macca said 'I trust Donovan' in the T n A?

I trust him, a few of my mates trust him, it's at least 50/50 on people who think he's good enough, and the fact QPR wanted him says something about the football knowledge of our fans tbh.. I can see Donovans faults, but im not a typical City fan who expects every player to be perfect.

I actually appreciate the fact we have Omar in our squad even if he's a sub player for next season because the guys cleally got the ability, hes 2 years younger than JJ and next season is make or break for the guy, lets hope Macca brings out a new Omar like Todd brought out a new JJ.

I hope your right about omar, i really do because if Macca can harness his talent and get his mental approach right, we've got a winner on our hands but Gary is right that fans will always forgive a 'Greg Abbott' type than an 'Omar/Leigh Palin' type. Its up to omar himself as well, he doesn't help himself with his at times 'can't be arsed' demeanour

[BantamLad89]

I agree, but to be fair he is the first person we look at when we lose.

Then again if you were a striker out there yesterday wouldnt you of got frustrated by the lack of service?

[Jamaica Love]

Ricketts is a marginally better keeper than Loach, however Loach does have the talent to go further and be a better than Ricketts in the long run. However the whole argument is pointless as neither will be with us for next season. I know that part of Loach's loan agreement means that he HAS to play contractually.

As for the Daley argument it is ridiculous, he is by far our most talented player. However i do concede that he has some issues with regards to his consitency but even when playing poorly he has the ability to do something fantastic to turn a game in our favour. As for the abuse he gets i find it mystifying, everyone on that pitch yesterday was extremely poor but he gets the most abuse.

[Gary1975]

Is this after Macca said 'I trust Donovan' in the T n A?


So why does he not pick him


actually appreciate the fact we have Omar in our squad even if he's a sub player for next season

Hang is he not leaving ?

hes 2 years younger than JJ and next season is make or break for the guy, lets hope Macca brings out a new Omar like Todd brought out a new JJ.
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I hope your right but i think JJ went through the same kind of phase during his 1st spell in english football.Ask most Oldham fans what they thought of JJ during his 1st spell in the english game.They will tell that JJ was lazy crap at shooting and all the ability going but needed a kick up the arse.Remind you of anyone:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

They could not believe that JJ was the same player that graced VP

[BantamLad89]

'why doesnt he play him'

Because it's in his contract that he has to or they can recall him.

JJ was exactly the same as Omar, last season Daley wasn't lazy, this season he is sometimes..

But I realised he tried he's heart out when we get behind him.

100% agree with Jamaica Love.

[Gary1975]

'why doesnt he play him'

Because it's in his contract that he has to or they can recall him.


Not being funny but why keep paying a loan keeper when you have (in some eyes) a better keeper.Surely it would be better for the club if Macca sent him back or do you think that he thinks that loach is a better keeper ;)

JJ was exactly the same as Omar, last season Daley wasn't lazy, this season he is sometimes..

Nothing like bud because if JJ had have stayed do you think we may have gone down ??

Omar did not make near the impact that JJ did last season :(

[Wicker Man]

seriousely how the fuck does daley have talent? HOW HOW HOW??

He's quick, thats it

cant cross a ball at all

cant shoot

CAN do some ineffective stepovers.. whoopdedoo!

can't defend properl;y when he's on the wings

cant get in the right positions when up-front (i.e in the box when a cross is about to come in)

He CAN dribble into no-mans land then lose the ball

he can't pick out a decent pass (neither can half the team though tbf)

he really isn't talented, i have seen nothing ever to show this

Muirheads better than him and he isn't even in rochdales starting 11 ffs!!

[BantamLad89]

Can't dribble? His run V Accy from his own half to the oppostion goal was pretty good..

Can't pass? His through balls on Tuesday to Colbeck and Thorne were pretty decent... Oh and I remember a number of quality cross field passes.

He is talented, your just blinded because you hate him so much :)

[BantamLad89]

'why doesnt he play him'

Because it's in his contract that he has to or they can recall him.


Not being funny but why keep paying a loan keeper when you have (in some eyes) a better keeper.Surely it would be better for the club if Macca sent him back or do you think that he thinks that loach is a better keeper ;)

JJ was exactly the same as Omar, last season Daley wasn't lazy, this season he is sometimes..

Nothing like bud because if JJ had have stayed do you think we may have gone down ??

Omar did not make near the impact that JJ did last season :(

JJ had 2 assists to Omars 8.

JJ had 4 goals to Omars 3.

I dont understand why we dislike Omar so much, both JJ and Omar were lazy!

Then again we hated JJ aswell sometimes.

Then again I didn't. Obv.

[BBB]

JJ had 2 assists to Omars 8.

JJ had 4 goals to Omars 3.

I dont understand why we dislike Omar so much, both JJ and Omar were lazy!

Then again we hated JJ aswell sometimes.

Then again I didn't. Obv.


WILL YOU PLEASE FUCK OFF

[Yeadon Bantam]

Can't dribble? His run V Accy from his own half to the oppostion goal was pretty good..

Can't pass? His through balls on Tuesday to Colbeck and Thorne were pretty decent... Oh and I remember a number of quality cross field passes.

He is talented, your just blinded because you hate him so much :)
1 GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

NUMB NUTS:flame::poo::poo:

[Sleepless in settle]

What im thick because you lot don't agree with me? Prove me wrong because i'd say i've got this discussion in the bag..

Loach is massivley overated, I have incidents and facts to help bring my opinion forward, but I get called a loon for doing that?

Your full of shit.

Just so you know - your lack of basic grammar doesn't exactly add weight to the strength of your arguments! In fact it detracts heavily from it!

Oh and you say you back up your opinion with facts - wellllllll - not really, you back up your opinions with.......oh that's right further opinions.

Just for your benefit this is how the passage should read!

What! I'm thick because you lot don't agree with me? Prove me wrong because i'd say i've got this discussion in the bag..

Loach is massivley overated, I have incidents and facts to help bring my opinion forward, but I get called a loon for doing that?

You're full of shit

The sooner you realise that your opinion is not fact and is merely one person's interpretation of a situation the better. You can't force your opinions on people mate - and if you intend to do so you had better come up with some more compelling evidence than "this player is shit, fact" because it doesn't wash!

[BantamLad89]

BBB- I aint going anywhere baby ;)

Settle dude- actually your right to be fair, but these lot just say he is crap, at least I try to back up my argument, I just got told to fuck off for having an opinion..

And on the punctuation.. LOW BLOW!

[Gary1975]

JJ had 2 assists to Omars 8.

JJ had 4 goals to Omars 3.


In how many games was that ?

Please point out the hatred towards JJ or is that all make believe.

Oh the one reason people may have a grudge with Omar is maybe most of them are in jobs with little money and after work hard for it only for them to see a player in the most privalaged job going and most of the time cannot be arsed :(

And you have NOT proved me wrong on the Don situation Macca must rate loach as the better keeper :)

[Jamaica Love]

1 GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

NUMB NUTS:flame::poo::poo:


Oh and you say you back up your opinion with facts.....you had better come up with some more compelling evidence than "this player is shit, fact" because it doesn't wash!

I suggest you actually read the statistics printed in the programme every week!!

In the latest programme he has the most of everything (other than crosses which heckingbottam has)!!

The facts if you actually read them say he is our best and most consistent attacking threat!!

Goal wise he is not doing bad for a midfielder, look around we hardly have a freescoring midfield, other than Nix!!

Your refusal to accept that Daley is decent player is ridiculous!! The problem is the facts DO NOT back you up, i only see 1 player on this list from Bradford City for example:-

http://www.football-league.premiumtv.co.uk/page/DivisionalShooting/0,,10794~200726,00.html

By all means have your opinion on daley...its up to you if you like him or not, but he is one of our better players by a country mile, and once STU sorts out his perceived "laziness" we will have a player who will rip this league (and the one above) to shreads!!

[Superfatbantam]

At least you acknowledged there is a perception (and a general one at that) that he is lazy.

He is, but so are many players of his ilk, unfortunately at this level the laid-back attitude he adopts is not applauded but rather it is mocked and criticised. We are City fans, we appreciate a trier more than anything and Daley is not a trier.

[Gary1975]

Found these for you BL89 going on last season

JJ 5 assists from 30 starts

Omar 1 assist from 13 starts

still why let the truth get in the way of your opinion

http://www.bradfordcityfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Assists/0,,10266~200610266,00.html

[BantamLad89]

Thats Omars stats for last season mate.

Theres not much difference between JJ and Omar in terms of contributing.
?Obv JJ is better 'cos hes class!

Someone reply to Jamaica Love, doing a better job than me!

[Gary1975]

Nope YOU put up JJ stats not me i was just happy to point out that your stats are complette bollocks

JJ had 2 assists to Omars 8.

JJ had 4 goals to Omars 3.


WRONG WRONG AND WRONG sorry to break your heart but if your going to lie please do it where there is no chance of folk finding you out :)

Still no comeback on loach i see :)

[Superfatbantam]

http://www.bradfordcityfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Assists/0,,10266~200710266,00.html

Omar has 4 assists this season from 34 starts.

http://www.bradfordcityfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Assists/0,,10266~200610266,00.html

JJ had 5 last season from 30 starts.

http://www.bradfordcityfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Shooting/0,,10266~200710266,00.html

Omar has had 84 shots plus 2 hitting the woodowrk (not sure if they are included as on or off target!), 45 of which have been on target.

http://www.bradfordcityfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Shooting/0,,10266~200610266,00.html

Compared to JJ who had 88 shots, plus 2 hit woodwork also, 40 of which were on target.

http://www.bradfordcityfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Goalscorers/0,,10266~200710266,00.html

Daley has scored 3 goals from that shooting gallery statistic!

http://www.bradfordcityfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Goalscorers/0,,10266~200610266,00.html

JJ got 4 goals!

So where's the difference? :rolleyes: they both have a lot of shots, they both equally contribute on assists although I think they should have more assists seeing as they should both be the providers for the strikers.

Only difference I see is JJ did it at a division higher.

Oh, he had a better attitude as well! That may have helped his cause!

[BantamLad89]

Good post SFB. Read that un!

And I thought JJ had 2 assists to be honest 'cos I remember someone saying when he left. I apoligise.

Im on my phone, qoute the Loach comment!?

[Superfatbantam]

I'm not doing you the stats between Ricketts and Loach, except to say neither has scored for City! tup:

[Parrot]

Only difference I see is JJ did it at a division higher.



I think you'll find he's two divisions higher......:rolleyes:

[Gary1975]

I think you'll find he's two divisions higher......:rolleyes:

JJ was a Bradford City player in L1

Omar is in L2

SO IT WAS A DIVISION HIGHER ;)

[Parrot]

JJ Championship with Wendies

Arthur Daley in 4th division ;)

[Gary1975]

Not the stats SFB is on about ;)

Only difference I see is JJ did it at a division higher.


He did it a division higher compared to Omar this season ;) as you can see there all Bradford City stats not the Owls :):)

[lee]

I don't mind Daley, if he got half the encouragement of 'Baz' or JoCo he'd be a world beater, I've said it before and no doubt say it again he may be crap for 89 mins but he'll usually do something that will pretty much get us a goal in the other minute. When he's actually on form he's quality.

Seems certainly the fellas next to us though are sat waiting for him to take 9 outfield players on twice and then knock it in the top corner from 30 yards as whenever he doesn't they moan at him.

Meanwhile we criticise Baz Conlon for missing a sitter from two yards and we get reprimanded for being negative. Couldn't really make it up.

[Superfatbantam]

Cheers, Gary, you need to tell Parot at least 3 times before he gets it! :D

Lee, that's City fans all over we are as fickle as the best of them!

[lee]

It's not that they're fickle though as they seem to hate Daley full stop. When he's playing well or does summat good it's actually quite amusing to sit there listening to them having to bite their tongue.

I can't believe that if you have that much contempt for your own players, why even turn up? They must know Daley is not gonna put in a superb performance every week so if they're getting so angry about him not playing well then surely it's bad for the blood pressure to carry on coming?

Unless they just like to sit there and come across as bitter twisted angry moaning old nobs every week. In which case I'd rather they didn't come up.

Fair enough everyone has their players they don't rate and everyone lays into a player every now and then but I can't understand why you'd turn up with the sole intention to boo someone. I'm actually quite pleased when one of the players I don't rate puts in a decent performance and proves me wrong, but these guys seem pissed off when some of our players play well.

[Superfatbantam]

Lee they've paid their money, they have a right to maon etc etc whinge whinge whinge! :D

I think I sat in fron fo them when we were on the rise to the premiership. We won more than we lost back then and still it wasn't good enough! ;)

[Parrot]

Cheers, Gary, you need to tell Parot at least 3 times before he gets it! :D

Lee, that's City fans all over we are as fickle as the best of them!

Aye,

Im still trying to grasp the significance of comparing 2 different players, in 2 different divisions, in 2 different seasons....:confused:

Suppose I'll get there in the end eh? :rolleyes:

[BantamLad89]

It's not that they're fickle though as they seem to hate Daley full stop. When he's playing well or does summat good it's actually quite amusing to sit there listening to them having to bite their tongue.

I can't believe that if you have that much contempt for your own players, why even turn up? They must know Daley is not gonna put in a superb performance every week so if they're getting so angry about him not playing well then surely it's bad for the blood pressure to carry on coming?

Unless they just like to sit there and come across as bitter twisted angry moaning old nobs every week. In which case I'd rather they didn't come up.

Fair enough everyone has their players they don't rate and everyone lays into a player every now and then but I can't understand why you'd turn up with the sole intention to boo someone. I'm actually quite pleased when one of the players I don't rate puts in a decent performance and proves me wrong, but these guys seem pissed off when some of our players play well.

Did Daleys name even get mentioned on here on Tuesday?:)

[lee]

To be honest I ain't even fussed if people come on here or the OMB or the Gent to moan, within reason.

If it's a load of pointless vitriol then that's a different matter, but this forum is for people to offer their views whatever they may be and if they think someone is crap then I have no problem with them saying that, as long as they provide reason. I wouldn't expect to be shouted down if I thought someone had a poor game.

In fact the moaning on here is sometimes a good thing as people challenging the constant bleating on about everything at the club being hunky dory despite it blatantly not being has started to get people to wake up to the fact that the club was/is slipping into oblivion. Finally it looks like the tide is turning.

I'd just prefer it if when people went through the turnstiles they actually did what they said on the tin and supported the team regardless of personal grudges and saved the negativity for here and the OMB, but as SFB says you pay your money you're entitled to moan. It's a bloody shame though.

[Superfatbantam]

Lee, point well put, sir. The thing about fans as a group is we will all have different opinions. the situation at City is looking a lot more positive now than it has for a long time, yet many still have reservations and rightly so from what we have had to endure financially and in terms of hardsip off the field. i know to a certain extent one has to try and put the past behind us and look forward in a more enthusiastic manner but it is hard when we were convinced things were going so well and then discovered we were near dead and probably crippled for life back in 02 then 04 again!

Sometimes I am heartened that we can have so much discussion about on the field activities cos at one point all we debated was the status of the Club's bank account or the losses we were predicted again! However, we are still suffering from a premiership roller-coaster hangover and unfortunately we are having to deal with assessing and rating players who 5 years ago we wouldn't have even entertained at our club. We have had a massive fall from grace and some people will rightly expect better from the players. The least they want is effort seeing as we have put that in on and off the terraces for the last 7 years or so. Hopefully this i coming to the end of the 7 years bad luck from some mirror that JR broke back then! ;)

The clear message to me though is that we still as City fans have great respect and admiration for people who put 100% in every time they play, whether they are a world beater or not. We won't tolerate absolute dross like Tierney, Gavin et al but then again we will forgive a lack of skill if the player shows heart, passion and pride. Hence people have a go at the likes of Daley, JJ and even Ricketts because whether they are really trying or not their demeanour suggests they are lazy and disinterested. Now if Daley had converted as few more of his shots on target into goals he may be forgiven, but while we are under-performing in a lot of people's eyes he will be the one who is under the microscope - and perhaps that is because he actually is a very good player, shame we don't see it for 90 minutes every game.