Did anyone

[Gary1975]

attend the meeting tonite ?

[Dr Wisey]

yes, approx 50 there i would say - some good questions put to the panel after the Trust AGM - Su's transfer budget has all gone and ML stunned at some of the wages some players are on at VP - Willy Topp's deal was over and above that but the club won't pay £55k fee so negotiations still ongoing, ermm you'lll have to wait for the Trust to put full details up on their site.

[Parrot]

Su's transfer budget has all gone and ML stunned at some of the wages some players are on at VP

Transfer budget all gone?:confused:

We haven't signed anyone for a fee ffs tdwn:

[Jantje]

Transfer budget all gone?:confused:

We haven't signed anyone for a fee ffs tdwn:

All we've signed are loans and short term contracts, somebodies having a giraffe. Wheres all the ST and donation money and the Windass money gone?

[Gary1975]

So the money Stuart refused to spend is not there

[Superfatbantam]

All we've signed are loans and short term contracts, somebodies having a giraffe. Wheres all the ST and donation money and the Windass money gone?

That's the problem with supporter donations direct to the club the way they were done. No public accountability or probity. They can simply say they got £500 in donations which will go a long way to buying Willy won't it!

ST money barely covers the wages budget for the season. No doubt the Windass money is going towards the rent on the stadium. Any more questions?

[Parrot]

All we've signed are loans and short term contracts, somebodies having a giraffe. Wheres all the ST and donation money and the Windass money gone?

The whole thing stinks down at VP tdwn:

The clubs been run like a dodgy second hand car dealership, the fans deserve better than this :(

[Spoonhead]

All we've signed are loans and short term contracts, somebodies having a giraffe. Wheres all the ST and donation money and the Windass money gone?

Did anyone ask this question?

[Ed]

I'd hazzard a guess that it's gone on paying Thorne a large wage each week.

Wetherall's salary.

Bower's stupid wage, he was never going to be signed by nottingham forrest so why we offerred him a bumper deal on the back of that rumour is beyond me.

Rickett's new deal soaks up a large chunk of his budget.

Evans won't be on peanuts.

Windass's fee wasn't said to just be for transfers but was put into the WAGE budget, which looking at various links on google would of paid for 3 players.

[Superfatbantam]

Did anyone ask this question?

I've just answered it, JD.

[Jantje]

What about the gate money above the ST money, every gate has had at least 1500 paying customers. Thought the JJ money was going towards the rent? Something stinks down there and its not the bogs

[Superfatbantam]

What about the gate money above the ST money, every gate has had at least 1500 paying customers. Thought the JJ money was going towards the rent? Something stinks down there and its not the bogs

That isn't a fixed income, it's varuiable and unpredictable, for all we know we go on a losing run and suddenly the gates dry up. No way will they provide funds on that basis.

[Ed]

What about the gate money above the ST money, every gate has had at least 1500 paying customers. Thought the JJ money was going towards the rent? Something stinks down there and its not the bogs

That's a bit dramatic, that fee actually paid the Taxman and an installment for Gibb.

Remember, Johnson's fee wasn't £500,000 upfront - it's staggered. Bet Sheffield Wednesday are laughing now as there ain't no way we will get the £150,000 promotion bonus this year.

[Spoonhead]

What about the gate money above the ST money, every gate has had at least 1500 paying customers. Thought the JJ money was going towards the rent? Something stinks down there and its not the bogs

You're right mate, something doesn't add up. I'm 95% sure I remember Lawn saying ALL the Windass money was for Stu to spend on players.
Plus there are 2000 more season tickets sold than were hoped for.....even at £138 a go that's a load of money. sherlock:

[Gary1975]

Sorry but didn't Lawn say there was money to spend but Macca wanted to wait

[Jantje]

So in the programme notes where lawn is going on about how solid a financial footing we're on now means jack-shit if the manager hasn't a pot to piss in transfer wise

[Spoonhead]

That's a bit dramatic, that fee actually paid the Taxman and an installment for Gibb.

Remember, Johnson's fee wasn't £500,000 upfront - it's staggered. Bet Sheffield Wednesday are laughing now as there ain't no way we will get the £150,000 promotion bonus this year.

Shef Wed laughing? Talk sense Ed...what's £150k when they get millions in the premiership!

[Jantje]

Like JD says, they wanted 10k season tickets and they've got 12.5k. Plus the extra 1500 payers, variable or not they have payed and its money in the bank. Plus, the Windass money was promised for the transfer fund

[Ed]

Shef Wed laughing? Talk sense Ed...what's £150k when they get millions in the premiership!

No serious business would want to part with any cash, Sheff Weds would be fucked if they went up anyway - the cash they got from going up would service the debt they have, debt owed internally but it would service that and they would come straight back down.

[Ed]

Like JD says, they wanted 10k season tickets and they've got 12.5k. Plus the extra 1500 payers, variable or not they have payed and its money in the bank. Plus, the Windass money was promised for the transfer fund

I'll bet you Thorne took a signing on fee.

I'll bet you Evans took a signing on fee.

I'll bet you Conlon took a signing on fee.

I'll also bet Scott Phelan took a signing on fee.

Were did these fee's get serviced from?

[Spoonhead]

I'll bet you Thorne took a signing on fee.

I'll bet you Evans took a signing on fee.

I'll bet you Conlon took a signing on fee.

I'll also bet Scott Phelan took a signing on fee.

Were did these fee's get serviced from?


No chance mate, no chance! Nobody wanted any of them! They've all dropped divisions apart from Conlon.

[Joe_Brett]

Mark Lawn said that McCall would get all the money from the Deano transfer didn't he?!?!

So why not leave that to one side for January if McCall didn't want to spend it before the transfer window closed, but no its probably been wasted on a load of shite!!

Something Definately is wrong at VP and it needs sorting A.S.A.P!!

[Jantje]

I'll bet you Thorne took a signing on fee.

I'll bet you Evans took a signing on fee.

I'll bet you Conlon took a signing on fee.

I'll also bet Scott Phelan took a signing on fee.

Were did these fee's get serviced from?

Fair enough Ed, but why were the fans led to believe that there was money available and i remember Rhodes actually saying on Radio L**ds that we are now in a position to spend modest transfer fees for players.

If the direction was changed and it all went on wages surely as a courtesy to the fans who stumped up these so called donations to Stuarts transfer fund should have been told that instead of being hit by a wall of silence for 3 months or just misled

[Ed]

Evans had a deal on the table at another club, but wanted to come back.

Thorne could of easily signed for a League 1 club.

[Ed]

Fair enough Ed, but why were the fans led to believe that there was money available and i remember Rhodes actually saying on Radio L**ds that we are now in a position to spend modest transfer fees for players.

If the direction was changed and it all went on wages surely as a courtesy to the fans who stumped up these so called donations to Stuarts transfer fund should have been told that instead of being hit by a wall of silence for 3 months or just misled

They could probably of said that but they didn't and aren't obliged to, I just don't think we should always think the worst when nobody on this forum actually has direct access to the clubs books or how much a certain player is actually earning.

[Spoonhead]

Evans had a deal on the table at another club, but wanted to come back.

Thorne could of easily signed for a League 1 club.

Says who? Their agents? Load of bullshit!

[Spoonhead]

They could probably of said that but they didn't and aren't obliged to, I just don't think we should always think the worst when nobody on this forum actually has direct access to the clubs books or how much a certain player is actually earning.

You're the one that's been quoting figures left right and centre!

[panther]

So now I'm seriously depressed and dissolusioned - maybe we should wait for a full transcript..

[Jantje]

They could probably of said that but they didn't and aren't obliged to, I just don't think we should always think the worst when nobody on this forum actually has direct access to the clubs books or how much a certain player is actually earning.

i know they aren't obliged to Ed but thats part of the problem at City, they never tell us anything!. I don't want to know what player 'a' is earning but i want to know whats going on down at the club from day to day.

The whole relationship is one-sided until they want more money and then out comes the charm offensive. Its not good enough anymore.

You can't blame people for thinking the worst when we have to live on a diet of rumour and counter rumour with nothing official coming out of the club unless they are confronted with negative press or accusation

[Ed]

Says who? Their agents? Load of bullshit!

I'll search the T&A website tomorrow when i'm bored at work but I recall it being McCall saying so, and that he was hoping he wouldn't sign for them and that he (McCall) could offer what was required to secure his services.

[Ed]

i know they aren't obliged to Ed but thats part of the problem at City, they never tell us anything!. I don't want to know what player 'a' is earning but i want to know whats going on down at the club from day to day.

The whole relationship is one-sided until they want more money and then out comes the charm offensive. Its not good enough anymore.

You can't blame people for thinking the worst when we have to live on a diet of rumour and counter rumour with nothing official coming out of the club unless they are confronted with negative press or accusation

How often do the Glazers talk about how they are servicing a debt that is crippling there club? Hence why there supporters trust keep asking for answers.

Clubs don't have to, and won't start disclosing this information no matter how much fans demand it.

[Parrot]

So now I'm seriously depressed and dissolusioned - maybe we should wait for a full transcript..

Are you seriously surprised?

I knew they'd be no transfer money available in January but thought we'd find out then not now about it.

"Wheres the fooking money gone?":mad:

[Spoonhead]

I'll search the T&A website tomorrow when i'm bored at work but I recall it being McCall saying so, and that he was hoping he wouldn't sign for them and that he (McCall) could offer what was required to secure his services.

I don't buy it mate. Classic, easy thing for an agent to do isn't it? Put the pressure on by fabricating other interested parties. All part of football deals.

[Jantje]

How often do the Glazers talk about how they are servicing a debt that is crippling there club? Hence why there supporters trust keep asking for answers.

Clubs don't have to, and won't start disclosing this information no matter how much fans demand it.

I don't give a shit about the Glasers, i'm bothered about our club and the fans who have been through 2 admins and responded with hard cash to the begging bowl. Decent PR and info is the least we are owed.

[Spoonhead]

I don't give a shit about the Glasers, i'm bothered about our club and the fans who have been through 2 admins and responded with hard cash to the begging bowl. Decent PR and info is the least we are owed.
Seconded.

[Ed]

Why are we owed decent PR? do we the fans own shares in this company?

[Spoonhead]

Why are we owed decent PR? do we the fans own shares in this company?

Well without us there wouldn't be a company....

[Gary1975]

no but when things go tits up they come begging to US

[Ed]

OK,

The club have to quit hiding behind the two previous administrations and debt.

But, when the fans want answers they chuck it in the clubs faces that they owe the fans because they kept it going ... yadda yadda.

Doesn't it work both way's?

[Parrot]

Why are we owed decent PR? do we the fans own shares in this company?

I'd say they should treat us with less contempt seeing as its us the fans who have scraped this club off the canvass on more than one occasion, dont you agree?

[Spoonhead]

OK,

The club have to quit hiding behind the two previous administrations and debt.

But, when the fans want answers they chuck it in the clubs faces that they owe the fans because they kept it going ... yadda yadda.

Doesn't it work both way's?

Not just that we kept it going Ed....TWICE.....without us there would be no club because it wouldn't work without paying punters would it? :rolleyes:

[Dr Wisey]

It's no surprise really, not many know the full details of the wages paid out at VP - i agree though that all the time there seems to be contradictory statements about money avaialable, now it's all gone - no doubt if the form picks up and we are above mid table in January then some will be found. I don't think any of us argue that some players need to be moved on - but like was said tonight, there has not been a deluge of enquiries.

[Ed]

Not what certain people on here would have you believe, certain people on here believe that if Rhodes fucked off the white knights would be round this club like vultures, or is that not the case? The club wouldn't need the fans if Rhodes fucked off because some sugar daddy would just keep us alfloat?

The new company behind Bradford City owes the fans nothing, and i'm probably going to get jumped on from a great height on this matter but they don't. Bradford City 1983 ltd or whatever it was owes the fans, Bradford City Ltd owes the fans fuck all - it's a new company ... like it or lump it - that's business.

[Spoonhead]

Not what certain people on here would have you believe, certain people on here believe that if Rhodes fucked off the white knights would be round this club like vultures, or is that not the case? The club wouldn't need the fans if Rhodes fucked off because some sugar daddy would just keep us alfloat?

The new company behind Bradford City owes the fans nothing, and i'm probably going to get jumped on from a great height on this matter but they don't. Bradford City 1983 ltd or whatever it was owes the fans, Bradford City Ltd owes the fans fuck all - it's a new company ... like it or lump it - that's business.

That's bollocks Ed! This club more than any owes us, the fans that kept it afloat, everything! Between egomaniacs, megalomaniacs, squabbling schoolboys and fast eddies :rolleyes:, we the fans have had to put up with alot. And when we were shitting it that our club might go bust completely, they were more worried about their wallets.

[Gary1975]

Till things go tits up :(:(:(

[Dr Wisey]

Are you working for Mark Lawn now then Duck?

[Dr Wisey]

Long time City fans now own the club and still we are not happy .........

[Ed]

That's bollocks Ed! This club more than any owes us, the fans that kept it afloat, everything! Between egomaniacs, megalomaniacs, squabbling schoolboys and fast eddies :rolleyes:, we the fans have had to put up with alot. And when we were shitting it that our club might go bust completely, they were more worried about their wallets.

The COMPANY now funding Bradford City FC doesn't haven't to pander to me, you or any other fan - They do not need to tell us jack sh!t no matter how much you try say otherwise.

Bradford City Football Club is run by a PRIVATE - Limited Company who do not owe the fans anything - have to tell the fans anything. You want a more transparent club then go support a club who's a PLC were they have to annouce and explain every decision.

Otherwise, get used to being told naff all - expect naff all - then you won't be disappointed.

[Ed]

Are you working for Mark Lawn now then Duck?

Got to pay the leccie bill somehow tup:

[Parrot]

I think your missing the point Ed, most dont want to know the financial ins and outs down at VP....but were been lied too on a weekly basis. thats whats pissing the fans off! :(

Does anyone know how much the supporters raised for the transfer fund, where its gone and who's accountable for it? :rolleyes:

[Ed]

I think your missing the point Ed, most dont want to know the financial ins and outs down at VP....but were been lied too on a weekly basis. thats whats pissing the fans off! :(

Does anyone know how much the supporters raised for the transfer fund, where its gone and who's accountable for it? :rolleyes:

Nobody know's and nobody will ever know.

Private Company.

[Gary1975]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YES

A private company
One that needs to keep it's customers happy

Doing a cracking job aren't they ?

[Ed]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YES

A private company
One that needs to keep it's customers happy

Doing a cracking job aren't they ?

Doing a crap job, but that isn't the point. They still don't owe an explaination on fuck all.

[Gary1975]

So rather than come out and tell us the TRUTH they sit and do nothing

WELL WHAT A PRIVATE COMPANY

Still with no Windass or JJ to sell and a drop in STs i just hope this PRIVATE company knows what it's doing

[Parrot]

Doing a crap job, but that isn't the point. They still don't owe an explaination on fuck all.

I'd say they do Ed, in fact im sure a lot of people want to know where their donation money went and to whom?

Are you saying the club are above the law?

[Ed]

Do private companies have to disclose private donations?

The donations made in the past that i'm aware of have been publicised by the person paying never the club.

[Dr Wisey]

£20k

[Parrot]

Do private companies have to disclose private donations?

The donations made in the past that i'm aware of have been publicised by the person paying never the club.

If they are canvassing for money for a certain thing and then use it on something or someone else i'd say thats obtaining money by deception which is still a criminal offence as far as im aware :rolleyes:

Lets say I'd donated £500 on the clubs transfer kitty only to find out its gone on Gladys the tea ladies redundancy money, dont you think its wrong? :(

[Spoonhead]

Ed...while you're looking at the T&A history tomorrow for the other clubs that were interested in the players we signed :rolleyes:.........see if you can find where Lawn said that ALL the Windass money was going into Stu's fund. See if you can find where he said that Stu had decided to wait until January to spend the money:rolleyes:....I'm almost certain I remember those stories linked from this site.
Us fans don't like being lied too. We were told that we were in position to challenge this season. That Stu's budget would be competitive. That there would be money to spend on players. Lied to again and again. There must be more money coming in this season than last with all the season tickets and Lawns "investment". Plus we are no longer paying Windass or JJ, both of whom must have been on good deals. Mark Bridge-Wilko has gone along with others who were probably on good money yet we continue to lose cash hand over fist. WHERE HAS ALL THE MONEY GONE!!!!??????

[Ed]

WHERE HAS ALL THE MONEY GONE!!!!??????

£125k .. Striker who's scored none .. Kept Steve Redmond in a job.

[Ed]

If they are canvassing for money for a certain thing and then use it on something or someone else i'd say thats obtaining money by deception which is still a criminal offence as far as im aware :rolleyes:

Lets say I'd donated £500 on the clubs transfer kitty only to find out its gone on Gladys the tea ladies redundancy money, dont you think its wrong? :(

Did I say the club saying anything was wrong or right? I said they don't have to, and won't - unless they need to beg for help again.

[Spoonhead]

£125k .. Striker who's scored none .. Kept Steve Redmond in a job.

BULLSHIT!!!!

BTW, I don't blame Thorne for not scoring if our midfield doesn't create!

[Ed]

BULLSHIT!!!!

BTW, I don't blame Thorne for not scoring if our midfield doesn't create!

That's what he's cost the club in wages and signing on fee's.

I don't blame him for jack sh!t either ..

You asked where it's gone.

Eddie Johnson is on a contract that get's him £1k per goal .. thank fook he can't hit the target eh?

[Spoonhead]

That's what he's cost the club in wages and signing on fee's.

I don't blame him for jack sh!t either ..

You asked where it's gone.

Eddie Johnson is on a contract that get's him £1k per goal .. thank fook he can't hit the target eh?


Thorne signed a one year contract. If we are keeping to our wage budget then by your reckoning, he got about 50k signing on fee? No chance! A player who's been plagued by injury? No chance Ed.
If Johnsons contract says that then good luck to him. I would imagine Thorne has a very high goal bonus.
What about all the money that was freed up from last seasons budget Ed? Windass, JJ, MBW, Shuey, Haworth etc.....they've not been replaced like for like. WHERE HAS ALL THE MONEY GONE????!!!!!

[Ed]

Shuey?? he was on peanuts - we got £10k for him - that went into the youth setup.

MBW - we got him for next to nothing, paid him the same.

JJ - Paid the tax man and Gibb. He was mainly sold to cover the Tax as the overdraft would not of covered it.

Howarth - he was on standard league 1 peanuts and went to drive ambulances.

Who else has gone that's worth a mention?

Ben Muirhead? he's on basics at Rochdale.

[Spoonhead]

Shuey?? he was on peanuts - we got £10k for him - that went into the youth setup.

MBW - we got him for next to nothing, paid him the same.

JJ - Paid the tax man and Gibb. He was mainly sold to cover the Tax as the overdraft would not of covered it.

Howarth - he was on standard league 1 peanuts and went to drive ambulances.

Who else has gone that's worth a mention?

Ben Muirhead? he's on basics at Rochdale.

I do believe you are missing my point sir!
These established players we had have been replaced (or not in the case of the keeper) with loans we are either not paying or only paying a percentage of the wage they are on. WHERE IS THE REST OF THE MONEY??!!

[Ed]

We have 6 loan players - a 1st team squad of 29 players - 23 players owned by us.

What point am I missing?

[Spoonhead]

We have 6 loan players - a 1st team squad of 29 players - 23 players owned by us.

What point am I missing?

The point that the wage budget for this season is clearly, DRASTICALLY lower than last season and is insufficient for Stu to build anywhere near a squad capable of competing in the top half let alone the top 7 of this league. The point that although we have more money IN this season we are paying less money OUT. The point that established 1st teamers like BMW, Windass, Muirhead and Howarth have not been replaced. How much would their wage have been combined a week? 10k? 8k? WHERE HAS IT GONE??!!

[Ed]

A budget for League 2 would be lower than League 1 for various reasons:

1) Lower Sponsorship Deals.

2) Lower League Attendances. We have large attendances due to low cost season tickets, i'd pretty much guarantee that if we sold them at last seasons or inline with other league 2 clubs we'd have 5,000 tops at league games.

3) Lower League Payout's for finishing in certain positions.

[Spoonhead]

A budget for League 2 would be lower than League 1 for various reasons:

1) Lower Sponsorship Deals.

2) Lower League Attendances. We have large attendances due to low cost season tickets, i'd pretty much guarantee that if we sold them at last seasons or inline with other league 2 clubs we'd have 5,000 tops at league games.

3) Lower League Payout's for finishing in certain positions.

I'd like to see some figures if you have or can get them. I don't think sponsorship or prize money is much different between league 1 and 2, they're both shitholes, let's be fair!
I don't agree with your figure of 5000 season tickets had we not had the cheap deal. If we hadn't had the deal/Stu coming home combo I would expect 3-4000 season tickets at best. So we are exceeding that by 3-1 at least.
So lets say 4000 season tickets at full price, minus concessions for juniors, OAP's etc is the budget we have planned for a league 2 club. Instead of that we have about 12000 season ticket holders, paying half price of course but 3 times as many of them. In my head that adds up to profit or should do! Plus also the pay on the gate home and away fans!
Now let's get a dig in at JR while we're at it. We've got 13-13500 people through the door buying merchandise and food etc. Who's getting the profit? BCFC? Don't be daft! Why would we? :rolleyes:
Ok, onto your 3rd point...lower league payouts. Again, I can't see this being significantly different between league 1 and 2 although I admit I don't know the figures. What I will say is though that there is fuck all money in the lower leagues so it can't be that much. Anyway, nobody knows where they will finish in the league so they can't possibly include this figure in any budget can they?

[jimmy]

I cant wait for Chuckles post,when he reads about the meeting:D

[ernie06]

Just thinking the same Jimmy

Dave - the floor is once agin yours to stand and SAY I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!

[BBB]

Anyone got the trusts addy ????

[Jantje]

www.bcst.co.uk

Nothing posted yet about meeting

[beerbantam]

Shuey?? he was on peanuts - we got £10k for him - that went into the youth setup.

MBW - we got him for next to nothing, paid him the same.

JJ - Paid the tax man and Gibb. He was mainly sold to cover the Tax as the overdraft would not of covered it.

Howarth - he was on standard league 1 peanuts and went to drive ambulances.

Who else has gone that's worth a mention?

Ben Muirhead? he's on basics at Rochdale.

Ed, were you pissed whilst replying to this thread?

From the very start of it you throw in stats & figures that you have simply plucked from the sky/dreamed about - none of your posts on this thread have any backbone!

[Ed]

So we didn't get £10,000 compensation from Crewe Alexandra for Steven Schumacher?

We paid Stockport a fee for Marc Bridge-Wilkinson? Who came from Stockport County's reverses, signed an 18 month contract ... Didn't have the belly for a relegation fight but flourishes in a team playing well.

A certain strikers £150,000 year per deal - what's to be shocked about that? http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/news/article357006.ece - Not all of the £150k is wages...

[beerbantam]

We paid Stockport a fee for Marc Bridge-Wilkinson? Who came from Stockport County's reverses, signed an 18 month contract ... Didn't have the belly for a relegation fight but flourishes in a team playing well.

...

Last player we paid for was Andy Tod.......years before BMW signed!

[Ed]

Last player we paid for was Andy Tod.......years before BMW signed!

I know that, I was asking you if we had paid a fee for a bottler, I knew we hadn't.

[Superfatbantam]

Anyone would think we should have a fans' representative in the Board room reading this. :rolleyes: God forbid. :rolleyes:

Club doesn't have to say f.all. Still, safeguarding all that money we raised and demanding a place on the Board was a stupid idea wasn't it! Some people (you know who you are) made their bed and now when they want a real voice they have to lie in it. Tough shit. tdwn:

[Jantje]

Anyone would think we should have a fans' representative in the Board room reading this. :rolleyes: God forbid. :rolleyes:

Club doesn't have to say f.all. Still, safeguarding all that money we raised and demanding a place on the Board was a stupid idea wasn't it! Some people (you know who you are) made their bed and now when they want a real voice they have to lie in it. Tough shit. tdwn:

Come on SFB, its a legitimate question. Not everyone wants to be pro-active but till has an interest in where the money is and whats going on at the club.

All i'm advocating is better dialogue between the club and fans . Nothing a decent PR officer wouldn't cure. Feed fans scraps of information and the majority would be satisfied imo.

[Superfatbantam]

Come on SFB, its a legitimate question. Not everyone wants to be pro-active but till has an interest in where the money is and whats going on at the club.

All i'm advocating is better dialogue between the club and fans . Nothing a decent PR officer wouldn't cure. Feed fans scraps of information and the majority would be satisfied imo.

Not a dig at you dude, don't remember you slagging off board representation 3 years ago.

I agree but to be honest the Club is privately owned and has no duty to tell us anything. Now if we were on Board then that would be a different matter, but no that would clearly be the wrong way to do it.

Anyways, we're skint, how can we afford a PR officer? The Club will continue to do its PR through the T&A and occasionally the Trust (although usually after the T&A exclusive), and that means we will continue to get the scraps.

You can speculate on what's happened to the money but ask this first, how much money were we talking about? How much are the wages, how much was spent on bringiong players in, how big is the difference between the rent payments and the EMC contracts etc? How much are we frittering away on inefficiencies in the administrative side of the business? And so on and so on. By the way the CLub won't answer any of those questions publicly and therefore all you can do is speculate. My guess would be the ST monies have been swallowed up by the playing and wages budget as was forecasted and which was the original intention, it means that we at least have a squad of players to last the season no matter what else may go worng. The on the day payments will as Ed says go towards paying the running costs (leckie, water, gas, stewarding, police, cleaners....) and then we will somehow find some money to pay the non-playing staff.

Until such time as the Club becomes a public company (hmmmmm :D) or operates with a way to have direct fan involvement at executive level then you will never get the answers you want other than in bits and pieces from the T&A and Radio Leeds.

[ChuckleBantam]

Can one of the mods please rename this thread;

Ed makes a complete twat of himsen then digs himself further in the shit by quoting bollocks from his made up source

Thanks!


roflmao: roflmao: roflmao: roflmao:

[Ed]

Can one of the mods please rename this thread;

Ed makes a complete twat of himsen then digs himself further in the shit by quoting bollocks from his made up source

Thanks!


roflmao: roflmao: roflmao: roflmao:

I've no problem doing that, But then i'd also like permission todo that on every thread you've done the same on? Is that a deal? Mine might be or might not be 1 thread.

I'd have to book a week off work changing the thread titles on yours.

[Jantje]

In Saturdays programme notes Lawn said we are on a sound financial footing, i want to know what that means for one.

I keep getting it thrown at me that its a private company and the don't have to tell us anything. True in principle but i reckon you'll find most companys run a PR dept even if just for self publicity to get their message across.

I'm sure the club could find a 'volunteer' to do the job. How about asking someone like David Markham to do the PR. I'm sure he'd do it for a small retainer just as an example?

[Ed]

In Saturdays programme notes Lawn said we are on a sound financial footing, i want to know what that means for one.

I keep getting it thrown at me that its a private company and the don't have to tell us anything. True in principle but i reckon you'll find most companys run a PR dept even if just for self publicity to get their message across.

I'm sure the club could find a 'volunteer' to do the job. How about asking someone like David Markham to do the PR. I'm sure he'd do it for a small retainer just as an example?

Lawn is meant to be the Media Lurvieeeeeee that everyone want's, he openly admitted at not being shy and quite happy to talk to the press.

It could just be a case off, The club have nothing to say as there isn't anything sinister going on behind the scenes?

[Superfatbantam]

In Saturdays programme notes Lawn said we are on a sound financial footing, i want to know what that means for one.

I keep getting it thrown at me that its a private company and the don't have to tell us anything. True in principle but i reckon you'll find most companys run a PR dept even if just for self publicity to get their message across.

I'm sure the club could find a 'volunteer' to do the job. How about asking someone like David Markham to do the PR. I'm sure he'd do it for a small retainer just as an example?

Sound financial footing = no debts, minimal overdraft, affordable costs, taxman satisfied. Not "loads of cash, plenty to spend on players, profit-making" etc etc.

Good idea re David Markham, however, I reckon the way the Club works they view Simon Parker as their PR man! Soz! Why not contact David and ask him and then write to ML and tell him you have a PR man for them. Mereckons though that Lawn probably thinks he's doing a grand job of the PR!

[ChuckleBantam]

I've no problem doing that, But then i'd also like permission todo that on every thread you've done the same on? Is that a deal? Mine might be or might not be 1 thread.

I'd have to book a week off work changing the thread titles on yours.

Ed lovie, I have no source to quote fiction from, I know, through using logic and common sense to appraise the situation down at Valley Parade what a pair of lying, useless bastards we have sat in the co-"chairman" seats. Show me something to indicate I am wrong. Maybe you can quote all the positives from Mark Lawn's mouth last night to back your super positive outlook on how fucking great this club is, despite the fact it is clinging onto it's football league status by it's fingertips.

I said the transfer budget was lies and I said that Stuart was sent to fish in the shitpool. Both true!! Change everywhere I said that if you like edwina, if you have time that is......

ed, you live in a dream world, I mean no offence by this, but I have met you and there is no way in a sqajillion years that even if anyone was that way inclined they'd feed you details of player salaries etc, so come down from cloud cuckoo land and then have a look at the league tables and the performances on the pitch, then even someone as clearly loved up as you with the dynamic duo might not even try to as fruitlessley defend the indefensible.

If you came home from work and found someone kicking your pet dog to death, would you later stand up and tell everyone that they are actually great guys? I ask this because Rhodes and now it seems Lawn are doing just that to your football club, kicking and squeezing the very life out of it. That in itself is bad enough, but to do so whilst treating the very people who they rely on and constantly call upon to help them out of the shit on a regular basis, like fucking idiots by constantly bullshitting them and treating them like simpletons is totally and unconditionally inexcusable ed!! And if you DO find that kind of behaviour acceptable, then I really do pity you, but don't scream like a baby when your football club is at best, playing in the non leagues. Because this WILL happen sooner or later if folk keep giving their backing to lying bastards like Rhodes and Lawn!!

[Ed]

Strangely enough Chuckle, I have no obsession with either men in the board room at Valley Parade. I go to bed each night not even giving them a second thought - unlike yourself.

Whatever you may or may not think of me, has no impact on who I know or don't know. Who talks to me and who doesn't talk to me.

I don't back Rhodes & Lawn, nor do I see the point in constantly slagging the only 2 people who have put any real money into the business. Nobody else has wanted too, Maybe some of us are just sick of all the anti boardroom claptrap?

Rhodes & Lawn could fuck off tomorrow for me, or stay another 10 years I really couldn't give a rats arse, I don't goto bed dreaming over my obsession for gunning down a man - that i'd pretty much guarantee you wouldn't say half the stuff to his face over.

[ChuckleBantam]

that i'd pretty much guarantee you wouldn't say half the stuff to his face over.

How would you or anybody know, he spends his whole life hiding from the fans.

[Ed]

How would you or anybody know, he spends his whole life hiding from the fans.

Because you'd be at any of the meetings that Lawn has attended asking the questions to backup your opinions.

But, you don't ask them do you? Lawn Or Rhodes - they own the company - You could of asked yesterday where the money's gone - What's with all the lies - Did you go down and ask him?

[ChuckleBantam]

Because you'd be at any of the meetings that Lawn has attended asking the questions to backup your opinions.

But, you don't ask them do you? Lawn Or Rhodes - they own the company - You could of asked yesterday where the money's gone - What's with all the lies - Did you go down and ask him?

I wasn't at the meeting last night for exactly the same reason I didn't bother with the Darlington game on Saturday, I had better things to do.

Besides, I know that Lawn lied about the Transfer budget, so therefore I didn't need to waste a couple of hours waiting for it to come from the Horses mouth.

[Ed]

But, you could of asked those difficult questions - maybe next time?

[Dr Wisey]

What's all the hysteria about?

Anyone could have gone down last night and put some questions to ML - you might not have got the answers you wanted.

At the end of the day, unless you put up the financial clout for a say in the boardroom, then you may as well save your breath for something else.
I'm not happy anout everything at VP, but I am at having Stu and Jakes in control of the team.
I am quite prepared to believe that the wages being paid at City are higher than some imagine - whats the point of getting stressed about it as none of us can do fck all about it.

Support the team, enjoy the games where possible, have a few beers and a chinwag with your fellow fans, go home, get on with your life.

[ChuckleBantam]

But, you could of asked those difficult questions - maybe next time?

Maybe, but don't hold your breath.

Maybe you could go and stand up and tell him how great he is and that as someone who part owns a private company he doesn't have to answer to or give two frigs about his paying customers or what they think of his product?

[Spoonhead]

What's all the hysteria about?

Anyone could have gone down last night and put some questions to ML - you might not have got the answers you wanted.

At the end of the day, unless you put up the financial clout for a say in the boardroom, then you may as well save your breath for something else.
I'm not happy anout everything at VP, but I am at having Stu and Jakes in control of the team.
I am quite prepared to believe that the wages being paid at City are higher than some imagine - whats the point of getting stressed about it as none of us can do fck all about it.

Support the team, enjoy the games where possible, have a few beers and a chinwag with your fellow fans, go home, get on with your life.

That's all well and good Wisey, we can all do that. It doesn't change the fact that we've been lied too though does it? Where is the Windass money that Stu was leaving aside until January?
Why are we still skint even though turnover has increased and outgoings have decreased?
So many questions......:rolleyes:

[Kop Kred]

What's all the hysteria about?

Anyone could have gone down last night and put some questions to ML - you might not have got the answers you wanted.

At the end of the day, unless you put up the financial clout for a say in the boardroom, then you may as well save your breath for something else.
I'm not happy anout everything at VP, but I am at having Stu and Jakes in control of the team.
I am quite prepared to believe that the wages being paid at City are higher than some imagine - whats the point of getting stressed about it as none of us can do fck all about it.

Support the team, enjoy the games where possible, have a few beers and a chinwag with your fellow fans, go home, get on with your life.


Agreed for the most part..

I would like to know how much supporters 'donated' to the transfer fund though, which is surely outside the remit of 'need-to-know business confidence'.. they have to tell us or it's akin to stealth robbery like the ITV phone-in fiasco.

[Gary1975]

So the big player that Lawn wanted to bring in was in fact BULLSHIT

[Parrot]

Agreed for the most part..

I would like to know how much supporters 'donated' to the transfer fund though, which is surely outside the remit of 'need-to-know business confidence'.. they have to tell us or it's akin to stealth robbery like the ITV phone-in fiasco.

That been my point all way through this thread CB tup:

I always knew they wouldn't be any money available in January, but didn't think they'd admit it till then!

As for people like Ed saying they are a private company and so dont have to tell us where the donated money went, well thats bullshit IMO tdwn:

If I was collecting money for St Gemmas hospice and raised £500 then decieded i'd by myself a LCD TV instead im sure the law would be interested in having a word with me....or am I save if i tell them im a private company? :rolleyes:

[Gary1975]

Do you think the same people will make the same mistake in the summer ?

I FUCKING DOUBT IT

[Ed]

That been my point all way through this thread CB tup:

I always knew they wouldn't be any money available in January, but didn't think they'd admit it till then!

As for people like Ed saying they are a private company and so dont have to tell us where the donated money went, well thats bullshit IMO tdwn:

If I was collecting money for St Gemmas hospice and raised £500 then decieded i'd by myself a LCD TV instead im sure the law would be interested in having a word with me....or am I save if i tell them im a private company? :rolleyes:

Well they don't have to tell us anything, You weren't donating to a charity - you were giving to a private company ... Unless i've misunderstood the law - they don't have to tell you - they would just claim it as a private donation - and with it being private, they dont have to say.

[ChuckleBantam]

Well they don't have to tell us anything, You weren't donating to a charity - you were giving to a private company ... Unless i've misunderstood the law - they don't have to tell you - they would just claim it as a private donation - and with it being private, they dont have to say.

And you deem that acceptable then and don't think it sounds just a teeny weeny bit dodgy when they don't say?

[Jantje]

Ed, we all know they don't have to do anything but morally they owe the fans an explanation at least when they have busted a gut donating money.

[Ed]

And you deem that acceptable then and don't think it sounds just a teeny weeny bit dodgy when they don't say?

What's dodgy about following the law?

I didn't say I deemed it acceptable, i'm putting the otherside of the case accross - They don't have to and probably never will do.

[ChuckleBantam]

What's dodgy about following the law?

I didn't say I deemed it acceptable, i'm putting the otherside of the case accross - They don't have to and probably never will do.

So, do you have confidence that these people who's behavior you don't deem acceptable are the right people to be in charge of something that means so much to you?

[Ed]

So, do you have confidence that these people who's behavior you don't deem acceptable are the right people to be in charge of something that means so much to you?

I believe they are doing there best, is it good enough? don't know - Wait till next years accounts are published.

[Gary1975]

Doing there best by lying to us YEAH RIGHT

[ChuckleBantam]

I believe they are doing there best, is it good enough? don't know - Wait till next years accounts are published.

Well I'm sorry, their best is far from acceptable and if anyone thinks it is, then they are and I'm sorry to use the word again, the kind of Mugs Junior knows he can feed any bullshit to.

[Dr Wisey]

£20k was the figure quoted - Dean from Shippers asked the question after the forum.

[Superfatbantam]

Re the "donations", did anyone actually do this? It was clearly not a wise thing to do. If the Club wanted a transfer fund donations cheme they would have done it properly and with accountability not as an add-on to raise a few extra bob with the season ticket sales.

[briggus]

Nobody know's and nobody will ever know.

Private Company.

Then more fool them then - because if they try the cheap s/t then less people will put something towards a "transfer fund". Unless they come up with some other way of removing money from the fans. I would have i preferred everyone pay £150 for a season ticket to ensure more went into the kitty. Knowing what was accounted fot (the palyers on higher wages) - how did they think we were going to assemble a squad with a chance of achieving something. Also some of the players released would not have been on low wages - how much did this free up?

I would add on reflection (glass half full mode) that - why should ML and Jr advertise they have spare money to spend on players? If they did incoming players and agents demands would only be higher ... good business acumen?