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Theres a post on the OMB that Mark Lawn has sacked the entire ticket office for sabotage, how bizarre!!?
Gary1975
10-10-2007, 05:15 PM
When it appears on the OFFICAL site and not hear say on a message board then i will believe it
Bit of an odd wind up if it is so, still it takes all sorts!
"Just to let every body know that all the ticket staff were made redundant today. These are the lads who have worked long hours for the club. Working sunday's and Bank hols for flat rate. There were promised days in lieu that never arrived. They worked for free when the club was in admin to help out. Long before Mr Lawn arrived. When he was in recruitment, a long time ago employment laws were different, times have changed. The days of the mill owner i thought were over. They were even told off for going over to say goodbye to Stuart Mc Call. just heard now they are being accused of sabotage for deleting infomation of the computer, when this is not true. For all of you who think the club is in safe hands think again. Too many egos."
Gary1975
10-10-2007, 05:22 PM
Not saying it's not true but it wouldn't suprise me if it was.
Maybe the SAUCE of power will back it up jump:jump:jump:
Sunwinman as seen someone who said it was true who works down there so it must be true
Dr Wisey
10-10-2007, 06:02 PM
Very strange - but then again not many know all the details - perhaps Mr.Mouth will be running the ticket office on his own now?
Northern
10-10-2007, 06:14 PM
I just got a text from a lad I know who works (or used to work) down there and it's 100% true. Sounds like he's pretty pissed off (especially with Lawn), doesn't have a clue what'll happen to teh ticket office now! :confused:
Garlic Breath
10-10-2007, 06:32 PM
Same shit different day.:sorry:
Jamaica Love
10-10-2007, 06:59 PM
Wonder what the official line will be.....maybe its cos Geoffrey...i mean Mark has someone else lined up for the job.
Dr Wisey
10-10-2007, 07:37 PM
made redundant, sacked, laid off, the bullet - been there and done that a few times - we'll see what info is given on the OMB...............................
Wonder what the official line will be.....maybe its cos Geoffrey...i mean Mark has someone else lined up for the job.
from the very start ive thought there was something fishy about lawn and knew straight away he was a GR clone.I think this club is ready to self destruct soon:(
Dr Wisey
10-10-2007, 08:03 PM
quick way to lose over a million pounds though - let's wait and see what the mouth says.
panther
10-10-2007, 08:50 PM
Very strange - but then again not many know all the details - perhaps Mr.Mouth will be running the ticket office on his own now?
You have quite a point there wisey... perceptive tonight arent we... :p
Dr Wisey
10-10-2007, 09:17 PM
Is it all the ticket office staff then Panther?
Dr Wisey
10-10-2007, 09:18 PM
Not that I want to work there - City are my religion, not my employer!!! (always think of what you said previously about that)
Dr Wisey
10-10-2007, 09:32 PM
yep 3 have been wiped from the Club staff list on the official site.
panther
10-10-2007, 10:53 PM
ALL of them... gone, do we not have a fookin home game a week on saturday !!! or are they all sold out.. ffs
Bring Bring....
"Hello, Bradford City Ticket Office - My name is Javindar, how may I help you?"
"I'd like to book a ticket to watch Bradford play Darlington"
"Could you please spell that for me Sir, English is not very good"
Outsourcing, it's the way of the future :)
Parrot
10-10-2007, 10:56 PM
Bring Bring....
"Hello, Bradford City Ticket Office - My name is Javindar, how may I help you?"
"I'd like to book a ticket to watch Bradford play Darlington"
"Could you please spell that for me Sir, English is not very good"
Outsourcing, it's the way of the future :)
This Is Bradford.....normal service when trying to communicate with the "locals" ;)
mrsjdtobe
10-10-2007, 11:24 PM
Well that is a shock! Wonder what has gone on there then!!
True - Things happen - Even companies making a profit make people redundant!
Obviously not part of Lawn's plans for the future, Just because they may have served the company well and been loyal doesn't mean they are secure in there jobs. If someone at the top has new idea's and at the end of the day those at the top who pay the wages call the shot's want to change things - then they are free todo so.
I would not be suprised if some spin is put on it in tomorrow's T&A though, but it's likely that they are restructing from the bottom now they have changed the top jobs around the coffee table.
Spoonhead
10-10-2007, 11:44 PM
True - Things happen - Even companies making a profit make people redundant!
Obviously not part of Lawn's plans for the future, Just because they may have served the company well and been loyal doesn't mean they are secure in there jobs. If someone at the top has new idea's and at the end of the day those at the top who pay the wages call the shot's want to change things - then they are free todo so.
I would not be suprised if some spin is put on it in tomorrow's T&A though, but it's likely that they are restructing from the bottom now they have changed the top jobs around the coffee table.
STRIKE! STRIKE! STRIKE!
Parrot
10-10-2007, 11:55 PM
STRIKE! STRIKE! STRIKE!
Have you ever been in a strike JD?
Do you know how it effects the families of the strikers when things turn nasty?
Look up the miners strike....see how the miners families suffered because a prick like Scargill didn't know when he was beaten tdwn:
Spoonhead
10-11-2007, 12:00 AM
Have you ever been in a strike JD?
Do you know how it effects the families of the strikers when things turn nasty?
Look up the miners strike....see how the miners families suffered because a prick like Scargill didn't know when he was beaten tdwn:
I remember the strikes of the 80's P. I was only having a joke because of the other thread though! Being serious though...how can a company get away with sacking contracted workers? Something stinks. sherlock:
Parrot
10-11-2007, 12:05 AM
I remember the strikes of the 80's P. I was only having a joke because of the other thread though! Being serious though...how can a company get away with sacking contracted workers? Something stinks. sherlock:
Its quite hard to sack ANYONE these days without substantial evidence of gross misconduct.
I agree, something smells fishy here and im sure all will be revealed shortly!
Its quite hard to sack ANYONE these days without substantial evidence of gross misconduct.
I agree, something smells fishy here and im sure all will be revealed shortly!
*bbb puts hand over mouth to stop words coming out*
tony d
10-11-2007, 09:51 AM
Its quite hard to sack ANYONE these days without substantial evidence of gross misconduct.
I agree, something smells fishy here and im sure all will be revealed shortly!
Maybe we have gone bust..:sorry:
Remember that Alan Partridge episode where his firm goes bust and so he sacks all his staff for the most bizarre reasons...:jerry:
Less of course Janice and her chocolate protests..:jerry:
http://www.alan-partridge.co.uk/multimedia/videoclips/imalans01/thumbs/s1e2Alan%20talks%20to%20Michael%20about%20the%20ch ocolate%20mousse%20on%20his%20face.jpg
Dr Wisey
10-11-2007, 10:26 AM
Gross misconduct? - who knows?
Redundancy can happen anywhere anytime - maybe the club feel with all the season tickets sold, the level of sales on matchdays and just prior, do not warrant employing 3 people?
All will come out with the dirty washing as they say!!!
Jantje
10-11-2007, 10:28 AM
Theres talk on the omb of the office staff being frogmarched off the premises within half an hour of being told their jobs were gone.
That doesn't sound like the actions of mere cost cutting to me. Sounds like something serious has been uncovered or a major breakdown somewhere.
mrsjdtobe
10-11-2007, 11:21 AM
I liked this from mick.n. on the OMB:
"Through my contacts I've just heard that in order to cut costs, any player that is injured and therefore not available to play has to double up as ticket staff. So I guess it's Thorne and Evans who will be behind the counter, probably helped out by Doris who normally does the cleaning. EJ is car park attendant - that's not a bad job because he gets to wear an official looking hat and reflective jacket. Ricketts is penned in for 'official changer of lightbulbs', obviously his size secured him that position but if he drops any it could be instant dismissal."
Parrot
10-11-2007, 12:39 PM
I liked this from mick.n. on the OMB:
"Through my contacts I've just heard that in order to cut costs, any player that is injured and therefore not available to play has to double up as ticket staff.
Matt Clarke will become one of the fittings then :rolleyes:
BlackishMagic
10-11-2007, 12:42 PM
Its quite hard to sack ANYONE these days without substantial evidence of gross misconduct.
I agree, something smells fishy here and im sure all will be revealed shortly!
However, if they have been sacked for gross misconduct and the staff appeal against this, then the club will not be able to make any of it public until the tribunal has made it's decision.
Even that though doesn't mean we will ever find out because it's possible that there are confidentiality clauses if settled out of court etc.
Dr Wisey
10-11-2007, 02:35 PM
I got finished at my previous job and a Director was on the steps of the offices, preventing me from going in to say cheerio to people I'd worked with for 18 months. It's pretty common pratice now to get people away as soon as possible.
Jantje
10-11-2007, 03:03 PM
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/display.var.1753681.0..php
Truth or smokescreen???
Makes sense, with so many season tickets being sold, they wont sell as many match day tickets - specially with us playing crap.
Kop Kred
10-11-2007, 03:13 PM
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/display.var.1753681.0..php
Truth or smokescreen???
Have you got a big enough spoon there aunty? ;)
so what happens if we get Manure at home in fa cup and its gonna be a sell out ???
NormanCorner
10-11-2007, 03:25 PM
so what happens if we get Manure at home in fa cup and its gonna be a sell out ???
Temporary staff.
Jantje
10-11-2007, 03:27 PM
Have you got a big enough spoon there aunty? ;)
:D:D:sorry:Just trying to keep the thread alive CBjump:
so what happens if we get Manure at home in fa cup and its gonna be a sell out ???
Read the bit about Part-Time staff.
You can't really justify 4 full-time staff on the basis of what IF.
king billy
10-11-2007, 03:44 PM
To be fair - Matt apart, they were a bit fookin useless anyway weren't they?
Used to not be too bad when that old bird worked down there a few years back - forgot her name, used to be ok that is if she weren't already having a fag outside and gassing to folk....;)
beerbantam
10-11-2007, 03:46 PM
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/display.var.1753681.0..php
Truth or smokescreen???
No prizes for guessing who the credit controller t/o manager role has been created for!:rolleyes:
Jantje
10-11-2007, 03:50 PM
Lost Boy:eek::eek::rolleyes:
ChuckleBantam
10-11-2007, 08:50 PM
I honestly agree that there is nothing sinister at all in this. From what I can gather as well as matchday admission there is a lot of knock on in other areas from the cheap season tickets that has severley curtailed revenue that the uber business men on our board of directors didn't have the hindsight to predict.
ernie06
10-12-2007, 08:09 AM
like having to scratch and scrape to find sponsors and fill tables in the Banq suite.
Why would you pay £40 a head when you get in for £6.00?
Dr Wisey
10-12-2007, 02:16 PM
and there's me thinking they would be swamped with match day sponsors....................
.............Is there to be a Christmas Raffle this year? - It would give the Trust something to do other than write inspiring pre match articles for the programme (zzzzz)
I worked with a lad last year who got his tickets for free each game from a friend who worked in the ticket office.
He also got other tickets aswell. He complained that at the start of last season when we were doing well, he could sell his spare tickets (given to him free) for a tenner. When the relegation form kicked he couldnt give them away.
I wonder how many other people know people with free tickets?
panther
10-12-2007, 11:43 PM
What I cant get my head around is - he makes 4 redundant but then create 2 new positions... now how does that work can someone explain it... :confused:
Yeadon Bantam
10-13-2007, 01:35 AM
What I cant get my head around is - he makes 4 redundant but then create 2 new positions... now how does that work can someone explain it... :confused:
Im guessing he sacked 4 and totally deleted their roles and postitions, and then created 2 new positions or other positions re formed under a different name.
For example
4 Ticket office sales people (dont know what their titles were) finished and the jobs finished as well.
2 new jobs created and ready to be filled perhaps by 2 of the 4 who were sacked and finished?
Mallorcabantam
10-13-2007, 08:03 AM
What I cant get my head around is - he makes 4 redundant but then create 2 new positions... now how does that work can someone explain it... :confused:
Firms do this -- I worked for a firm that did this sort of thing years ago
so what happens next season when its back to 5000 season ticket holders cos were a bucket of shite??? We may start playing well and then they will need to employ more staff to cope with ticket demand.
ChuckleBantam
10-13-2007, 09:56 AM
so what happens next season when its back to 5000 season ticket holders cos were a bucket of shite??? We may start playing well and then they will need to employ more staff to cope with ticket demand.
Aye the relegation clash with Farsley and Halifax will generate a lot of interest for sure!
Aye the relegation clash with Farsley and Halifax will generate a lot of interest for sure!
farsley wont be there theyre dropping like us ;)
ChuckleBantam
10-13-2007, 10:01 AM
farsley wont be there theyre dropping like us ;)
Unlike us, I think theyve got what it takes to turn it round.
panther
10-13-2007, 11:03 AM
Im guessing he sacked 4 and totally deleted their roles and postitions, and then created 2 new positions or other positions re formed under a different name.
For example
4 Ticket office sales people (dont know what their titles were) finished and the jobs finished as well.
2 new jobs created and ready to be filled perhaps by 2 of the 4 who were sacked and finished?
I know what your saying here but my point is - (and Mr Lawn says it in the T & A) - they werent sacked, they were made redundant !!
ok the jobs get made redundant and create another two !!!
That is my point - Why lay off all 4 if you know you are going to have another 2 more jobs created - dress the positions up with fancy (albeit strange) titles all you want but I bet they are just about 100% responsibilities as previously... surely if, as he states in the T & A, they can apply for these jobs, then why put them through all he has put them through :confused: why not have a quiet word beforehand and put them in the picture !!! quite frankly this stinks imo !! tdwn:
ChuckleBantam
10-13-2007, 11:46 AM
I know what your saying here but my point is - (and Mr Lawn says it in the T & A) - they werent sacked, they were made redundant !!
ok the jobs get made redundant and create another two !!!
That is my point - Why lay off all 4 if you know you are going to have another 2 more jobs created - dress the positions up with fancy (albeit strange) titles all you want but I bet they are just about 100% responsibilities as previously... surely if, as he states in the T & A, they can apply for these jobs, then why put them through all he has put them through :confused: why not have a quiet word beforehand and put them in the picture !!! quite frankly this stinks imo !! tdwn:
If the duties involved in two "new" jobs he creates bare more than a passing resemblence to any of those he has "made redundant" and he fills them in less than six months, then he's breaking the law and the two unlucky candidates have grounds to do him for unfair dismissal.
Dr Wisey
10-13-2007, 12:37 PM
length of service these employees gave is part of any possible claim.
panther
10-13-2007, 01:55 PM
If the duties involved in two "new" jobs he creates bare more than a passing resemblence to any of those he has "made redundant" and he fills them in less than six months, then he's breaking the law and the two unlucky candidates have grounds to do him for unfair dismissal.
at last someone speaking my language... I would consider the build up to next week's home fixture on Saturday would involve more than a passing resemblence to the axed jobs !!
biliousbantam
10-13-2007, 02:03 PM
Chuckle speak <<If the duties involved in two "new" jobs he creates bare more than a passing resemblence to any of those he has "made redundant" and he fills them in less than six months, then he's breaking the law and the two unlucky candidates have grounds to do him for unfair dismissal.>>
Why would "the two unlucky candidates have grounds to do him for unfair dismissal." If there is only the work for two, not four then a net of two are made redundant. That's life.
matnab
10-13-2007, 02:12 PM
If there was any chance of any of the four getting the job, they would have all been invited to apply for the jobs before being made redundant. Forking out just two lots of redundancy rather than paying out for all four.
panther
10-13-2007, 02:47 PM
If there was any chance of any of the four getting the job, they would have all been invited to apply for the jobs before being made redundant. Forking out just two lots of redundancy rather than paying out for all four.
and that is exactly where I am going on this one.. tup:
if there are only two jobs avilable (such is the non demand for tickets) then I agree, have a word with them and invite them to apply for them... not make them redundant, create two 'new positions' and then ask them to apply - it just doesnt make sense to me..... unless of course the ticket office wont be open this week or for the next six months... :rolleyes:
wykie
10-13-2007, 03:05 PM
If there was any chance of any of the four getting the job, they would have all been invited to apply for the jobs before being made redundant. Forking out just two lots of redundancy rather than paying out for all four.
If they have worked there for less than 2 years they do not qualify for redundancy pay anyway.
Parrot
10-13-2007, 07:15 PM
If this was how it looks then they would have made 2 redundant and kept the other 2 employed!
As usual the club have made a fcuk up and the smoke and mirrors approach as made the whole episode a shambles tdwn:
panther
10-13-2007, 07:18 PM
If this was how it looks then they would have made 2 redundant and kept the other 2 employed!
As usual the club have made a fcuk up and the smoke and mirrors approach as made the whole episode a shambles tdwn:
jawdrop: right on the nail as usual beaks, although I would erase the word 'club' tup:
Dr Wisey
10-13-2007, 08:52 PM
The Directors then?
mowgli
10-14-2007, 11:46 AM
I've seen this kind of thing before. I think by giving them the chance to apply for these "NEW" positions he is somehow getting around the law but may be wrong. What often happens is they reduce the hours and pay so someone who worked 35 hours and earned £?? will be offered 20 hours with £?? which is no good if you have bills and a mortgage.
My mrs got laid off when she was 3 months pregnant from some b@stard recruitment company in Leeds, they said they had made her job redundant rather than her so they could get rid and not have to pay maternity and she hadn't been there long enough to do anything about it. Sounds like Lawn falls into this category of "cnuts that don't care". :mad:
ChuckleBantam
10-14-2007, 01:56 PM
Chuckle speak <<If the duties involved in two "new" jobs he creates bare more than a passing resemblence to any of those he has "made redundant" and he fills them in less than six months, then he's breaking the law and the two unlucky candidates have grounds to do him for unfair dismissal.>>
Why would "the two unlucky candidates have grounds to do him for unfair dismissal." If there is only the work for two, not four then a net of two are made redundant. That's life.
Why the fuck has he made four redundant instead of just two then Einstein??
Parrot
10-14-2007, 02:09 PM
If this was how it looks then they would have made 2 redundant and kept the other 2 employed!
As usual the club have made a fcuk up and the smoke and mirrors approach as made the whole episode a shambles tdwn:
Why the fuck has he made four redundant instead of just two then Einstein??
My point exactly!
This whole episode stinks and has been handled in the usual amateur way thats become the norm at VP :(
tony d
10-14-2007, 02:26 PM
Maybe because the four sacked were not as good at their jobs as they thought??
Hence making all four redundant and then saying they can apply for the jobs again...In other words don't call us we'll call you..
The Club doesn't as i understand it have to explain it's hirings and firings to anyone...But because of the hoo hah on message boards they chose to explain their reasons...
I wouldn't have been arsed if they did or not...But i will be asking my local Tescos who i have spent far more at than i have at City to send me info of any of their sackings in the future...
How dare they do that without telling me...Best check the local messageboards for Tescos... Power to the people Citizens!!! :sorry:
Dr Wisey
10-14-2007, 10:56 PM
Comparing Tesco with City now ffs lol - I guess we are firmly amongst the Value Range - cheap as chips but with a nasty after taste!
Spoonhead
10-15-2007, 12:08 AM
I think you're missing the point T. If folk are shit at their job, then fair enough, get rid. But to make people redundant and then advertise 2 of the same jobs makes City look naive about employement law and weak in man management. There were 2 too many ticket staff, so just get shut of 2! Why all this charade? Typical City.
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