Nathan Doyle - A Strange Development

[Herr Doktor]

I have just heard that prior to Doyle going to Hull, Wetherall and Windass approach JR and offered to donate £50,000 each so that we could keep him at the club. JR alledgedly said he couldn't take their money.

While I would normally take such stories with a pinch of salt, I have no reason to doubt the source so wondered, can anyone confirm if there is any truth to the story?

Alternatively, are there any regulations that would've prevented JR from taking their money?

[Jantje]

Must admit i'd heard this at the weekend but wasn't sure whether to believe it

[Rick]

I heard that JR is going to sell everyone's details to those tele sales people and has no intention of reducing ticket prices.

[Superfatbantam]

Why would Windass put his hand in his pocket, surely he will be intent on trying to secure a move to Hull permanently?

[beerbantam]

I have just heard that prior to Doyle going to Hull, Wetherall and Windass approach JR and offered to donate £50,000 each so that we could keep him at the club. JR alledgedly said he couldn't take their money.

While I would normally take such stories with a pinch of salt, I have no reason to doubt the source so wondered, can anyone confirm if there is any truth to the story?

Alternatively, are there any regulations that would've prevented JR from taking their money?

He has got £25k on us getting relegated!!:rolleyes:

[ChuckleBantam]

Pinch of salt time, but if there is a grain of truth in it, it says to me who our next management team is going to be.

[Mallorcabantam]

If it was Wethers - maybe -- but Windy -- I dont think so!

[Superfatbantam]

It's always been lined up like that, Chucks/Mall. Why do you think they had their contracts extended to reduce the short term financial burden on us - gives them both a free and easy run into football management as their respective careers come to an end, probably at the same time.

[Mallorcabantam]

Pinch of salt time, but if there is a grain of truth in it, it says to me who our next management team is going to be.
Good point -- it does make you think

[beerbantam]

If it was Wethers - maybe -- but Windy -- I dont think so!


Id say more likely the other way, Wethers must have taken more money out of BCFC than any other man in its history!:rolleyes:

[Superfatbantam]

Id say more likely the other way, Wethers must have taken more money out of BCFC than any other man in its history!:rolleyes:


Other than Carbone and Ward, eh?:rolleyes:

....oh and Mr Richmond.jawdrop:

[beerbantam]

Other than Carbone and Ward, eh?:rolleyes:

....oh and Mr Richmond.jawdrop:

How long was Carbone at City (weeks) - how much did he earn??


Same for Wethers?? Cant be far behind - if indeed he is!!:rolleyes:

[Rick]

How long was Carbone at City (weeks) - how much did he earn??


Same for Wethers?? Cant be far behind - if indeed he is!!:rolleyes:

Carbone was at City for 2 seasons, at £40,000 per week thats over £4m.

[ernie06]

hehhehehe - its like panto time - oh no he didn't.......Look out he's behind you .

[ChuckleBantam]

I cannot understand this recent vogue of Wethers bashing. he's been a model pro and is still capable at this level. He's has always defaulted his wages when the shit has been hitting the fan. Don't forget, the money he's earning now is only what he would have earned over a shorter time before he defaulted. If you look at it another way, he's playing for free, because he could have pocketed the same brass and fucked off. Anybody critical of David Wetherall's contribution to Bradford City shows an unbelievable amount of ignorance and as complete a lack of understanding as you can get to be honest.

[Superfatbantam]

I cannot understand this recent vogue of Wethers bashing. he's been a model pro and is still capable at this level. He's has always defaulted his wages when the shit has been hitting the fan. Don't forget, the money he's earning now is only what he would have earned over a shorter time before he defaulted. If you look at it another way, he's playing for free, because he could have pocketed the same brass and fucked off. Anybody critical of David Wetherall's contribution to Bradford City shows an unbelievable amount of ignorance and as complete a lack of understanding as you can get to be honest.

I absolutely agree.

[king billy]

I cannot understand this recent vogue of Wethers bashing. he's been a model pro and is still capable at this level. He's has always defaulted his wages when the shit has been hitting the fan. Don't forget, the money he's earning now is only what he would have earned over a shorter time before he defaulted. If you look at it another way, he's playing for free, because he could have pocketed the same brass and fucked off. Anybody critical of David Wetherall's contribution to Bradford City shows an unbelievable amount of ignorance and as complete a lack of understanding as you can get to be honest.

Agree 100%, especially the last bit - fook knows why some have a bee in there bonnet about him - sure he's past his best but he's no way our worst player and no way deserving of the shit he's getting......

[beerbantam]

Lol, these words are just like the old favourite 'We are lucky to have a club':rolleyes:

'Just look at what Wethers has done for the club', 'model pro, is Wetherall', and my favourite 'Wetherall is City through and through, he has stuck with us through thick and thin - Mr Bradford City'!

How different it would all of been if he had only signed for Huddersfield!!:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

http://archive.theboltonnews.co.uk/1999/6/8/769102.html

We may have signed a player who was fit often enough to make a difference in the Prem, or better - we would have just been relegated after one season and not have to go through the 'week of madness', he has a lot to answer for does that 'business minded' Wetherall!!;)

[ChuckleBantam]

Lol, these words are just like the old favourite 'We are lucky to have a club':rolleyes:

'Just look at what Wethers has done for the club', 'model pro, is Wetherall', and my favourite 'Wetherall is City through and through, he has stuck with us through thick and thin - Mr Bradford City'!

How different it would all of been if he had only signed for Huddersfield!!:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

http://archive.theboltonnews.co.uk/1999/6/8/769102.html

We may have signed a player who was fit often enough to make a difference in the Prem, or better - we would have just been relegated after one season and not have to go through the 'week of madness', he has a lot to answer for does that 'business minded' Wetherall!!;)

Like I said;

Anybody critical of David Wetherall's contribution to Bradford City shows an unbelievable amount of ignorance and as complete a lack of understanding as you can get to be honest.

[beerbantam]

Like I said;

Anybody critical of David Wetherall's contribution to Bradford City shows an unbelievable amount of ignorance and as complete a lack of understanding as you can get to be honest.

Surprised your so supportive of Julians 'man in the dressing room' Chuckle??:rolleyes:

[ChuckleBantam]

Surprised your so supportive of Julians 'man in the dressing room' Chuckle??:rolleyes:

Surprised you are so critical of the only man he can afford to replace Todd with.:rolleyes:

[beerbantam]

Surprised you are so critical of the only man he can afford to replace Todd with.:rolleyes:

Mutes cant be managers Chuckle, everyone knows that!;) :rolleyes:

[king billy]

He's being made a scapegoat out of folk who believe in daft tittle tattle and rumour!!
His attitude and behaviour have been 2nd to none at the club - as have in the main his performances!!

The person giving him the most stick and making out he's a sly and manipulative money grabber, hero worships and defends Collymore and Windass......headtap: fookin bizarre!!

[Mallorcabantam]

What a strange thread! --
I find my self agreeing with Chukle all through it tup:

[DutchBantam]

I agree, Wethers is a City gent if ever there was one. He might not always be worthy of a starting shirt as he is getting on a bit now but he is a most valuable squad member and one for the coaching team in the future.
I'd take Wethers over Windass every time.

[ChuckleBantam]

I bet there'd be not one league one club who wouldn't have him in their side or in the dressing room.

[Jantje]

What a strange thread! --
I find my self agreeing with Chukle all through it tup:

Me too!!!! i do think he is slowing down a lot but you couldn't ask for a better ambassador for the club.

[ChuckleBantam]

I mean at the beginning of this thread there is a tall story about a couple of players offering to put their hands in their own pockets to buy the club a player. The fact that, as tall a story as it is, it's made feasible because Wethers is involved says everything about the man to be honest.

[Rick]

Fair do's about his loyalty but he isn't good enough anymore.

Anyone with any pace turn him inside out.

[beerbantam]

I bet there'd be not one league one club who wouldn't have him in their side or in the dressing room.

I bet there isnt one league 1 club that would be prepared to pay him what we do!:rolleyes:

[Parrot]

I cant understand why people see fit to slag off one of the clubs most faithful stalwartstdwn: ....I agree though that the sands of time are catching up with Wetherall, but over a season he still produces the goods;)

He's deferred his wages & gone weeks unpaid while he's been at our club, how many of those knocking him on here would stand that from their employers?:rolleyes:

GET A GRIP ffs:mad:

[baldbantam]

Just another voice to say that Wetherall is the best professional I've known us to have at the club, and you can count McCall in that.

If Todd does eventually leave, I'd be more than happy to have Wetherall given a shot at it.

[Parrot]

People say Wethers is too introvert to be a good manager, well I dont remember Paul Jewell mouthing it off on the pitch to all and sundry!:rolleyes:

[Superfatbantam]

People say Wethers is too introvert to be a good manager, well I dont remember Paul Jewell mouthing it off on the pitch to all and sundry!:rolleyes:

He is a very intelligent bloke as well. I'd back him as gaffer.

[Parrot]

He is a very intelligent bloke as well. I'd back him as gaffer.

He probably wouldn't be my first choice but i wouldn't be too disapointed if he got the job;) ....Maybe he's a tactical genius?:rolleyes: ....Although i'd like a sargeant major type as coach to motivate the players if he did get the jobtup:

TO:

[beerbantam]

He's deferred his wages & gone weeks unpaid while he's been at our club, how many of those knocking him on here would stand that from their employers?:rolleyes:



He has always got his wages in the end though!

If i earned £10k + per week and my boss said "Beer, bit short this month lad, but i will put you £80k in next month....I promise", id be a pit pissed off but would stay.
After all id earned over £1/2m in the last 12 months:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Rick]

I wouldn't want to see Wetherall as manager, I think he comes from the same school of football as Todd and thats safety first.

[Mallorcabantam]

He is intelligent and has a great deal of experiance -- if he also has desire -- he could be a good thing

[Joe_Brett]

I would like wetherhall as manager - and as chuckle says people criticising are silly tup:

[Parrot]

He has always got his wages in the end though!

If i earned £10k + per week and my boss said "Beer, bit short this month lad, but i will put you £80k in next month....I promise", id be a pit pissed off but would stay.
After all id earned over £1/2m in the last 12 months:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I'll spin it another way:rolleyes: ....If you was on 30k a year at work would you be happy to drop down to 15k a year if your boss said he'd gaurantee your job security for an extra year instead of one?:confused: tup:

[tony d]

I'll spin it another way:rolleyes: ....If you was on 30k a year at work would you be happy to drop down to 15k a year if your boss said he'd gaurantee your job security for an extra year instead of one?:confused: tup:

So earn the same 30k but over two years intead of one....You would have to be a dick to do that ffs....

[BantamMenace]

Ud av to be a dick or completley and utterly commited to the cause and love the place ur at and the surroundings I.E. David Wetherall, the guys bin with us thru thick and thin and turned down offers from Man City and coventry when he didnt even know if there was going to be a bradford city. The guys a legend simple as that, he got offered the cash by us that isnt his fault, would you turn it down? But ppl like Windass have also been given big money by us, but look at the differance's in attitude towards the club, and its supporters, he's a great example for the young lads coming thru and a true bantam and i hope he keeps on playing for the next 2 seasons so he can have a well deserved testimonial. Yes he has lost a bit of pace and that over the years but which defender doesnt? At the end of the day when it comes down to a dogfight, theres one man Id want at the back leading the team and that man is David Wetherall.

[Ed]

If they had put the donations through there wifes or someone else the deal could possibly of been done however under league rules players aren't allowed to make donations in this manner, if it was true they could of wangled it somehow but no doubt the bank manager would of wanted the cash.

They could always of gone through the Trust to give the money too as that would of not been against league rules.

[panther]

Im not getting into the in's and outs on here but I will say, I did ask the question about the 50k offer and found out its not true !

[terrynewpack]

I did ask the question about the 50k offer and found out its not true !

Well what a surprise.
Read and heard some daft rumours about City in the past but that one took the biscuit.

[Herr Doktor]

I mean at the beginning of this thread there is a tall story about a couple of players offering to put their hands in their own pockets to buy the club a player. The fact that, as tall a story as it is, it's made feasible because Wethers is involved says everything about the man to be honest.

Can you prove it was a tall story Chuckle?

Equally Panther, are you at liberty to say who told you it wasn't true?

I only ask as my source has been a box holder for a long time and has proved to be very reliable in the past. I admit to being sceptical when I first heard it but as no-one has yet proved otherwise - admittedly Ed did say they couldn't donate anything directly themselves - I'm inclined to believe there is an element of truth in it.

[Spoonhead]

- I'm inclined to believe there is an element of truth in it.


Can't see it myself. Pure fantasy.

[Herr Doktor]

Stranger things have happened. Would you ever have imagined Benito Carbone would have pulled on a City shirt for instance?

[Spoonhead]

They were the days of chairman giving away silly money. When did you ever hear about players putting anything back in?

[Herr Doktor]

I'm sure players do a lot of things that never get a mention. I'm not saying they are all anything like has been suggested but just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean that things don't go on away from the glare of the media.

As I said though, I had my doubts but until Chuckle or Panther come back to me - or anyone else - and can prove otherwise to me I'll go with what I've been told.

The more serious point that seems to have been missed so far is that if it is true, the club/JR turned down £100,000 which is staggering considering the current state of the club.

[Rick]

The whole story is bull shit, and here say.

[beerbantam]

At the end of the day when it comes down to a dogfight, theres one man Id want at the back leading the team and that man is David Wetherall.

Wethers has proved a decent defender through 3 relegations and 3 relegation scraps - i will give you that!:rolleyes:


But please explain Why he is the only man??

Surely if he had any great footballing insight to offer he would of offered it by now!

[Superfatbantam]

Beer, get off his back, man. There have been and still are far worse players for City and ones who have only a fraction of his commitment, dedication, loyalty and workrate.

[beerbantam]

Beer, get off his back, man. There have been and still are far worse players for City and ones who have only a fraction of his commitment, dedication, loyalty and workrate.

Am i doubting that? All my points are valid - im not slagging him, merely stating the facts!!

Its the little defenders of the wetherall knitting circle on hear thats biting at everthing that makes me laugh!

[Superfatbantam]

Fair enough. tup:

[king billy]

Am i doubting that? All my points are valid - im not slagging him, merely stating the facts!!

You were on Saturday mate - i heard a good 30 minutes of constant slagging, sniping and shouting abuse at him!!....;)
Like i said on Saturday - your picking on the wrong scapegoat!!...

[briggus]

They were the days of chairman giving away silly money. When did you ever hear about players putting anything back in?

Emile Heskey when Leicester city were in trouble put 100k did he not?

[Northern]

The story is absolute bollocks! As someone said the fact that apparently Windass offered some cash is idiotic. I honestly can't see him putting on a Bradford City shirt again so why would he want to give some money to us for Doyle?

As for Wetherall, I don't think just because of what he's done for this club in the past means that he should be exempt from critisism. Wetherall has done so much for this club, particulary during the admin periods and he's been consistant on the field.

However, he's starting to make mistakes and I believe he was at fault for Forest's 2nd goal on Saturday.

[panther]

Equally Panther, are you at liberty to say who told you it wasn't true?

I never divulge sources (unless specifically told I can) and unfortunately again I am not able to say, or even give a hint - all I can say is as before, I asked the question and that was the answer.

[beerbantam]

You were on Saturday mate - i heard a good 30 minutes of constant slagging, sniping and shouting abuse at him!!....;)
Like i said on Saturday - your picking on the wrong scapegoat!!...

I never shouted abuse at him!

I commented about him when the Forrest attack made him look like a muppet several times, & when he was at fault for goals, and stirred it up about him to you & Jimmy when you through in your thoughts about Windass (your hatred for him is so unfounded)!

As for scapegoat, Wethers is not one - Windass has become the scapegoat to many of the City fans - you included!!

My original point about Wethers was always that he should have been the one to be moved on to free up monies for the club to move forward - not Windass - who IS our most influential player of the new millenium!!

[NormanCorner]

I heard this same rumour last week from someone who is due to go on holiday with his pal, namely John Hendrie, who in turn is a certain players agent.

My contact informs me that the Doyle offer was rejected by Mr Rhodes at least 2 wks afore Mr Windass went to Dull.

I feel certain that if this was true, then it would have been a loan agreement rather than a 'gift'......If so, loans have to be repaid and Mr Rhodes was prudent to decline.

Do I believe it?......I'm not sure, but it seems quite plausible.