£5 entry, £10 suite for Saturday

[Zonnebloem]

http://www.bradfordcityfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,10266~931206,00.html

Desperately hoping to get a good crowd.

I reckon I'll have 5 quidsworth of that. I need to be up there in Blighty anyway at the moment.

[Mallorcabantam]

Is it desperation or is JR waking up and smelling the coffee --
Giving one lost chance to Sweeny Todd -- giving as much backing as possible -- every one behind the team -- now its up to Toddy -- fail and he falls

[Yeadon Bantam]

I will think about going now! £40 for 2 of us usually isn't feasable, but this one certainly is a good idea!

[Zonnebloem]

Bournemouth's visit kicks off a crucial fortnight for City, with league trips to struggling Leyton Orient and Millwall as well as the home FA Cup clash with the Lions.

"The next four games are absolutely critical and will have a huge impact on where we are come the end of the season," said Julian Rhodes.



Do I interpret a 4-game spell to turn things around, or else?

[beerbantam]

And they expect that to pull the fans in???

I wouldnt have paid a fiver if i didnt have my season ticket!

The crowd will still be shite - 8k max!:rolleyes:

Only one thing will boost our crowds is getting shut of Todd and JR needs to grow some bollox to pull the trigger!!

[Mallorcabantam]

Bournemouth's visit kicks off a crucial fortnight for City, with league trips to struggling Leyton Orient and Millwall as well as the home FA Cup clash with the Lions.

"The next four games are absolutely critical and will have a huge impact on where we are come the end of the season," said Julian Rhodes.



Do I interpret a 4-game spell to turn things around, or else?

This has got to be the last chance saloon

[Blue Monday]

Great thinking by the club, more members for the todd out brigade

hopefully get a few more bums on seats so they can see just how bad the football has become.........

More nails in todds coffinjump:

[Jantje]

I detect that JR is starting to lose a bit of patience with CT's managemet & is giving 4 games to turn it round

[baldbantam]

Bournemouth's visit kicks off a crucial fortnight for City, with league trips to struggling Leyton Orient and Millwall as well as the home FA Cup clash with the Lions.

"The next four games are absolutely critical and will have a huge impact on where we are come the end of the season," said Julian Rhodes.

Do I interpret a 4-game spell to turn things around, or else?

Perhaps.

It depends what your definition of turning things around is - there are 12 points available, how many does Todd need to get for JR to count it as a turn around?

If he got 6 points out of those fixtures I think it would be enough to keep him safe for a while longer yet. If he gets less than 3 points then I think JR will have a dilemma on his hands.

JR knows that Todd has a thankless task, and that whilst he isn't Mourinho he is as competent as most managers plying their trade in this division. There are no guarantees whatsoever that any incoming manager would make any difference, and it's going to cost money we haven't got to get shut of him. It's only 6 weeks since Todd was flying high on the back of 11 points out of 15, and it's not impossible that things can change back for the better as rapidly as they have changed for the worse.

Having said that, 1 point out of 18 now, potentially 5 points out of 30 say if we only got a win and a draw out of the next 4. Very few managers have survived a run of form like that.

Still, I could see JR sticking with Todd all the way through a relegation. I don't think he wants to have to sack him at all, regardless of the cost involved.

[Jantje]

Still, I could see JR sticking with Todd all the way through a relegation. I don't think he wants to have to sack him at all, regardless of the cost involved.

Do you really believe that. If thats the case we are fighting a losing battle for survival of the club. After 2 admins etc. fans are willing to put up with a couple of hard years & mediocrity but peoples patience is now starting to wear a bit thin & JR can't be so blinkered that he doesn't notice the growing anti Todd feeling on the terraces. Surely he wouldn't sacrifice all the work done to keep the club going by accepting a relegation & still keeping the manager in office, i can't believe that.

[ChuckleBantam]

It's a good idea and gesture but a desperate one that indicates that Todd is no nearer the sack now than he was when he signed his five year deal. Junior is hoping a sizeable crowd will generate a positive result because Todd cannot be removed, even if the downturn continues. Unfortunately, such is the lack of interest in the club generated by Rhodes' bumbling tenure, even at five squid in, the crowd won't even get anywhere near 10k mark.

[baldbantam]

There isn't anything like sufficient anti-Todd feeling in the crowd as yet for it to be a significant factor in Julian Rhodes' reckoning.

Crowds can get managers sacked, but they have to be a lot more active than we are being - you need to see protest sit-ins after the match, constant chanting for the entire duration of several matches, things like that. A bit of griping on message boards and the odd 'Todd out' chant at away games doesn't amount to anything like that.

If Todd goes it will be because of results, and personally I think we'd have to see us in the bottom 3 for an extended period of time with no hope of getting out of there. And even then I don't necessarily think it would see him sacked before the end of the season.

The bulk of our fee paying crowd is season ticket holders, and even if they don't turn up to see the matches they have already parted with their cash. A stay away from a season ticket holder has zero impact on crowd figures, and pay on the gate fans are already pretty much down to the bare minimum anyway.

The only time you might actually see fan power making a difference is during the close season if we aren't selling the season tickets. The income till the end of the season is pretty much fixed. After Saturday, which has pretty much being written off from an income point of view, there are 14 home games left. If you reckon that 1,000 pay on the gate fans are staying away (and that's a very generous estimate in my opinion), at an average of £8 each (presuming a mix of adults, children and discounts) then the maths works out like this:

14 games x 1,000 fans x £8 = £112,000.

That's all you could hope to achieve by sacking Todd in terms of income, and that's being optimistic. Todd may or may not be on a fixed term contract till 2009, but I'm damn sure sacking the management team and appointing someone new would cost approaching that in compensation on the best contract we could hope to see, and probably quite a bit more. And then there is no guarantee that a new manager will improve results, performances or attendances beyond a honeymoon blip over a couple of matches.

We aren't going to go down - we had a good enough start to ensure that, even if points only limp in at a fairly reduced rate. 50 points is generally seen as safety, and we have 22 of them so far with 28 matches left to go. We only need to average a point a game, and whilst that hasn't been achieved over the last month or so we can pretty much expect to do that.

Todd is safe here until and unless the season tickets go on sale and a couple of weeks before the start of the season the sales are dire.

[Rambo]

The only reason I'm gonna go is to avoid the weekly saturday afternoon food shopping at Morribags with the bird.


City or Morribags?

Yet why am I in two minds still?

[ChuckleBantam]

The only time you might actually see fan power making a difference is during the close season if we aren't selling the season tickets.

Junior will just pull the "Major Investment Imminent" stroke again if that happens, because he knows that the majority of City ST holders will believe any shit he comes out with. He's City through and through don'tcha know?

[baldbantam]

I'm not arguing with you on this one Chuckle. You know I am essentially of the same mind as you in regard to the Chairman/Manager situation.

[ChuckleBantam]

I'm not arguing with you on this one Chuckle. You know I am essentially of the same mind as you in regard to the Chairman/Manager situation.

Not generating an argument, just viewing the situation minus Rhodes tinted specs. I'm not working, it's a fiver in, tenner in the posh seats and I'm not even slightly tempted to end my exile. I imagine many of the others driven away will feel the same. IEven Councillor Dave's target fan catchment that live on the doorstep won't even take up the offer, which hopefully will contribute to putting an end to his hairbrained Schemes.

The sad fact is, that there is no interest and sympathy towards city's plight outside the Diehard/ Gullibe (delete as applicable) and you have to start asking why as opposed to being fed and accepting any old bullshit from the club.

Ask SFB to open a book on the anticipated crowd for Saturday, even if they count the ST holders who are staying away in droves, I wouldn't have thought there'd be more than 7-8000 make the effort.

[Jantje]

He's City through and through don'tcha know?

Even you can't deny he has the club at heart & is City through & through. Whether he's got the brains or the capability to run it properly is another argument or debate. I totally agree with your last post , i don't think there would be 8000 there if they handed tickets out on Lumb Lane for free. Even season ticket holders are fed up with the dross on show on the pitch. The same players who started the season with promise must accept some of the blame but Todd is the main reason for me I'd find more motivation & inspiration talking to a brick wall. The man just refuses to accept any responsibility for the situation.

[mrsjdtobe]

Can season ticket holders upgrade to the bar for free??

[baldbantam]

Can season ticket holders upgrade to the bar for free??

From the article:


For a further £5.00 upgrade, supporters can watch from any of the suites around the stadium.

[ChuckleBantam]

Even you can't deny he has the club at heart & is City through & through. .

I never have done. But so was Peter Sutcliffe mate. Does that criteria entitle him to a pardon for his crimes?

[mrsjdtobe]

From the article:

BB I thought that meant an upgrade of £5 from the £5 you would pay anywhere else.

I could ask on the OMB but I find it a waste of time going on there because JP is an arrogant ******!!

[Jantje]

Hardly a fair analogy, from memory, he might have done some dodgy stuff but he's not a serial killer. With your comment 'He's City through & through don't ya know ' you sounded like you doubted JR's feelings for the club. I comes down to the old chestnut even if you love or loath him, people are not exactly beating the door down to get involved at VP. I'm sure if he was offered a fair price he would be out of the firing line like a shot but the fact is he's on his own at the moment.

[Jantje]

TBB, are you a season ticket holder? If you are you still have to pay a £5 upgrade for the BB. This is aimed at non ST holders to get them back through the turnstiles

[mrsjdtobe]

No!!! I am not a season ticket holder!! I normally have to begrudgingly have to pay £twenty-odd for the privilege of sitting in the bbar!! I was asking for the benefit of other people tup:

[Jantje]

You can pay £5 then another £5 for an upgrade then

[Man Of The Cloth]

A fiver seems like a good deal to me.....I may even end my exile to take advantage of this most generous offer.

[ernie06]

I'll go for a fiver.

But i'll take my own flask and sandwiches - I know they will be fresh then.

I will read the programm over the guy in front of me

[ChuckleBantam]

Hardly a fair analogy, from memory, he might have done some dodgy stuff but he's not a serial killer. With your comment 'He's City through & through don't ya know ' you sounded like you doubted JR's feelings for the club. I comes down to the old chestnut even if you love or loath him, people are not exactly beating the door down to get involved at VP. I'm sure if he was offered a fair price he would be out of the firing line like a shot but the fact is he's on his own at the moment.

I don't and never have doubted for a minute that Junior is City through and Through. However I have always doubted his competence and suitability to run a professional football club and time and time again, I have been proven right.The analogy being made is just because someone is City through and through it doesn't excuse them from being shite at something. I'd rather have a poked up Huddersfield supporter with drive and ambition carrying the club forward than a useless, bereft of ideas loser who is City Through and Through, which like it or lump it or wallow in denial as much as you like, is what you have got.

I honestly don't think he'd part with the club for all the tea in china, you only have to look at how many times he's had chance to share his toy with someone and then promptly fucked em off. I think the only way you'll see the back of him is when the Closed Down signs go up. Which is a shame, because a few more un brainwashed fans not afraid to say what they actually see, might have nipped his useless and questionable methods in the bud when there was chance.

[beerbantam]

I never have done. But so was Peter Sutcliffe mate. Does that criteria entitle him to a pardon for his crimes?

Untill recently i thought Colin Todd was 'Wearside Jack' the hoax caller!!jawdrop: jawdrop:

[Superfatbantam]

Brother Shipton, I would open a book on the crowd this Saturday but unfortunately as you know I cannot get enough assurance that the "official" crowd figure would be correct. I'd have so many calls for Steward's Enquiries it just wouldn't be worth it! Still, I'd have 7-8,000 as odds-on favourite, if that's the point you're making.

[panther]

Right the way I read it, between the very complicated lines, was that it's CT's last chance as JR has seen enough !

as for tickets - the matchday prices are £5 Adult £1 junior all over the ground. Bantams Bar and other bar areas £10 and £6. (Not banqueting of course)

Season Tickets pay extra £5 to get in the bar areas.

[youngbill]

Well at least I saw two good games to start the season. Was I the lucky one?Is it really the manager who is crap or the lads on the pitch who are crap? For all a managers ability to motivate,set tactics, pick teams, etc-it still comes down to the 11 on the pitch. Are they playing for pride or money? Do they care if they don't win or do they really hurt inside? This new guy Black said that we could rely on him giving 100% every week. It sounds like he didn't last week so is that the manager not choosing him well? Did he pick him on reputation or had he seen him play recently? A few questions there and I know I can at least rely on you lot to give me some answers. Cheers.

[wykie]

There isn't anything like sufficient anti-Todd feeling in the crowd as yet for it to be a significant factor in Julian Rhodes' reckoning.

Crowds can get managers sacked, but they have to be a lot more active than we are being - you need to see protest sit-ins after the match, constant chanting for the entire duration of several matches, things like that. A bit of griping on message boards and the odd 'Todd out' chant at away games doesn't amount to anything like that.

If Todd goes it will be because of results, and personally I think we'd have to see us in the bottom 3 for an extended period of time with no hope of getting out of there. And even then I don't necessarily think it would see him sacked before the end of the season.

The bulk of our fee paying crowd is season ticket holders, and even if they don't turn up to see the matches they have already parted with their cash. A stay away from a season ticket holder has zero impact on crowd figures, and pay on the gate fans are already pretty much down to the bare minimum anyway.

The only time you might actually see fan power making a difference is during the close season if we aren't selling the season tickets. The income till the end of the season is pretty much fixed. After Saturday, which has pretty much being written off from an income point of view, there are 14 home games left. If you reckon that 1,000 pay on the gate fans are staying away (and that's a very generous estimate in my opinion), at an average of £8 each (presuming a mix of adults, children and discounts) then the maths works out like this:

14 games x 1,000 fans x £8 = £112,000.

That's all you could hope to achieve by sacking Todd in terms of income, and that's being optimistic. Todd may or may not be on a fixed term contract till 2009, but I'm damn sure sacking the management team and appointing someone new would cost approaching that in compensation on the best contract we could hope to see, and probably quite a bit more. And then there is no guarantee that a new manager will improve results, performances or attendances beyond a honeymoon blip over a couple of matches.

We aren't going to go down - we had a good enough start to ensure that, even if points only limp in at a fairly reduced rate. 50 points is generally seen as safety, and we have 22 of them so far with 28 matches left to go. We only need to average a point a game, and whilst that hasn't been achieved over the last month or so we can pretty much expect to do that.

Todd is safe here until and unless the season tickets go on sale and a couple of weeks before the start of the season the sales are dire.

Sorry BB he is giving tickets away at these prices, stop logic and switch on panic, all my points say TO: before xmastup: