City fire footage

[Zonnebloem]

There are links on the OMB to footage from the fire. They were originally posted with a request that JP get the footage withdrawn by Google video and youtube. Curiously, I notice that the posts in question have not been deleted, even though JP has been on answering questions while they are on view.

I am coming round to the view that at least the most part of this footage should be in the public domain as a historical archive document and as a training aid to show the deadly potential of fire. An exception would be the horriffic sight of the poor man whose clothes were on fire and who subsequently died.

I know a lot of people will say that this should never be aired but the footage exists and, with the existence of the Internet, could never be deleted from every film archive in the world. The point that this is too personal a reminder for Bradford folk does not recognise that there are permanent memorials to the fire and its victims, whose very reason for existence is lest we forget.

If you disagree that this film should be made public, follow the links and flag them as inappropriate. I'm going to leave it up to you whether you want to find the links by going to OMB.

[Tarty]

Personally I think the only time the footage should be shown is for training with the fire brigade, and thats it.

I also think that the people that think it's clever to post it on YouTube or Google video are sick bastards

[king billy]

Whether you like it or not its public domain - it only takes a few minutes to find it anywhere on the net - just like it only takes minutes to find footage from other terrible events!!....

I don't particularly think anyone is sick for watching it, their curiosity will soon turn to horror when it shows the old guy on fire near the end - for people too young to remember the events if anything it will help them understand the horror of that day....

[Yeadon Bantam]

Whether you like it or not its public domain - it only takes a few minutes to find it anywhere on the net - just like it only takes minutes to find footage from other terrible events!!....

I don't particularly think anyone is sick for watching it, their curiosity will soon turn to horror when it shows the old guy on fire near the end - for people too young to remember the events if anything it will help them understand the horror of that day....
My Thoughts exactly!

I watched it once, never again!

[Tarty]

So in that case don't you think it would be better shown at school in a history lesson or something?

[Zonnebloem]

Personally I think the only time the footage should be shown is for training with the fire brigade, and thats it.

I also think that the people that think it's clever to post it on YouTube or Google video are sick bastards


The City fire was a tragic accident. I think historical film of this terrible true-life accident is more acceptable for upload onto the Internet than pictures of an apparently under-age girl photographed in the most vile degrading circumstances posted by somebody on this football-based site not too long ago.

[Superfatbantam]

The City fire was a tragic accident. I think historical film of this terrible true-life accident is more acceptable for upload onto the Internet than pictures of an apparently under-age girl photographed in the most vile degrading circumstances posted by somebody on this football-based site not too long ago.


Nice dig, Z!

I don't want the glorification of human suffering to be promoted on youtube etc but unfortunately they don't seem to moderate sufficiently to prevent it. I do agree the fire should be public domain but in a sensible way and with firm reminders of the tragedy that it was and the suffering that it brought.

It is firmly embedded in fire safety training anyway and I challenge anyone to find a fire safety officer who doesn't have a copy of the footage for training purposes.

[gaza75]

I only recently saw the footage once wasenough for me.The only thing that bothers me is that people will try to post it for there own sick pleasure to try and get a rise out of City fans.On the other hand if they do then it realy shows them up as sick f#cking sc#m.

[Johnny Yen]

I watched the footage of the fire on Youtube (or somewhere) the other month. I found it far more harrowing than the actual fire itself and the news footage of the time. Over the years folk have had a go at Games and in the pub etc.. to get a response out of me, and frankly I don't give a damn, it says volumes about the person trying to cause offence by using the fire.

I don't mind it available on the net, it isn't advertised and folk have to go looking for it to view it. Viewed for the right reasons it can be beneficial. There's always going to be others that use it for more malicious purposes.

[Garlic Breath]

Strange how no one looks upon film footage of The Twin Towers disaster quite like this.
Is that because no one here has close ties to anyone who was in that disaster?
I was in the stand in the center block with my old man that day and to be honest its never really bothered me. Its just something that happened...something I was involved in and its never given me nightmares and I was closer to it than anyone I know.

[ernie06]

One thing that Bradfordians take for granted is that EVERYONE is offended by it.

Unfortunatly that is not the case. - morbid interest on human suffering will always be part of our life - who watches car smashes and motor racing pile ups - readily available as xmas presents on many store shelves for xmas.....

We are part of this footage by the fact that we support the club we do...and quite rightly find it hurts when you watch it - it is close to our very being. I watched it on the 20th anniversary - to make the day more poiniant ( spelling sorry) - i will probably NOT watch it for another 10 years.

Wether watched by someone doing research and development, training or pure morbid fascination ...it will always be looked at for some reason...we will always be taunted by other football fans over it - that is the sick part we have to accept ....Man YOU have Munich and Spurs get the Belsen Taunts - due to the jewish connection.

In reality - WE CAN NOT STOP IT - copyright ban or not - the WWW world is not policed and I for one think that it is fine on the web - as long as it is not abused or used in any way to make profit then we can not stop it.

I once sat through a 20 minute film show of Polish Jews getting exterminated at Buchenwald concentration Camp - it was shown to all visiting people as an entry fee to get in - it taught me many things about human nature........ Not the same thing I know but you watch and learn.

If lessons can be learnt from having this on the internet then we must accept that it is there.

[ernie06]

Strange how no one looks upon film footage of The Twin Towers disaster quite like this.
Is that because no one here has close ties to anyone who was in that disaster?
I was in the stand in the center block with my old man that day and to be honest its never really bothered me. Its just something that happened...something I was involved in and its never given me nightmares and I was closer to it than anyone I know.

Perfect - exactly my point .

[eurobantam]

I don't think it can be banned and don't know if it ought to be really. The important thing is context and the reason why some of us jumped on the back of Fox was becuase they said the fire was started by fans.
I was at the fire and like Earnie watched footage last year and found it a very emotional experience. If had lost someone close to me I may have a different opinion but nobody has to see it if they dont want to.

[B_i_N]

I have no problems with it being out on the net. I think it helps people to understand what happened that day, how a fire can spread so quickly, the consequences and why a lot of stadiums have been improved througout the world.
The only thing that I cannot tolerate are people who make jokes about it to any people who were involved on that fateful day or to Bradford City fans. I know that there are a lot of sick jokes made about that day. I accept that, it is a part of human nature to tell jokes like that. As long as they tell them and keep their comments amongst themselves I can live with that. However when fans of other clubs come onto Bradford Message Boards and make fun of it, well it is one of the only things which genuinely upsets me on these boards.

[Rick]

ESPN Classic tonight was from the day of the fire as it happens. There was no footage of it just Jimmy Hill saying a few words and how the football world is in shock. I don't think the full magnitude of the disaster would of been know when that program which I saw tonight was aired originally.

[Rambo]

I have just looked up the footage on YouTube as I have never seen the full version footage. What I did notice was that the poster of the fire had a related links section to all his/her previous posts.

These "blogs" (I think that's their name) were mostly of Bradford City games. BCFC vs Hudds, BCFC vs Barnsley and other local derbys, therefore I dont think the nature of the "blogger" has not been to stir up provocation, but to pay homage to Bradford's history whether it be the good bits or bad.

I understand that some people are out there to provoke, but in this case I think it can be seen that this has been posted for historical purposes, to illustrate the REAL history of Bradford and not the rose-tinted version.

The war on terror has been recorded with postings such as the be-heading of Ken Bigley. This is not aimed to provoke the Bigley family, its just showing the world of an event (a horrific one I may add)

History has always been recorded by all forms of media, whether it be good or bad. This is part of education. Would you prefer it if these events were "swept under the carpet"? The answer is no, because we would complain of censorship within our society

To conclude my point all I would say that, I am all for the fire to be posted on the net, but for it to be used in the right context and not for provocation. Unfortunately, this is always going to occur

[Yeadon Bantam]

I have just looked up the footage on YouTube as I have never seen the full version footage. What I did notice was that the poster of the fire had a related links section to all his/her previous posts.

These "blogs" (I think that's their name) were mostly of Bradford City games. BCFC vs Hudds, BCFC vs Barnsley and other local derbys, therefore I dont think the nature of the "blogger" has not been to stir up provocation, but to pay homage to Bradford's history whether it be the good bits or bad.

I understand that some people are out there to provoke, but in this case I think it can be seen that this has been posted for historical purposes, to illustrate the REAL history of Bradford and not the rose-tinted version.

The war on terror has been recorded with postings such as the be-heading of Ken Bigley. This is not aimed to provoke the Bigley family, its just showing the world of an event (a horrific one I may add)

History has always been recorded by all forms of media, whether it be good or bad. This is part of education. Would you prefer it if these events were "swept under the carpet"? The answer is no, because we would complain of censorship within our society

To conclude my point all I would say that, I am all for the fire to be posted on the net, but for it to be used in the right context and not for provocation. Unfortunately, this is always going to occur

I saw the ken bigley footage and i laughed, i laughed because i never thought humans were this fucking disgusting! Those people are scum and deserve death :(

[Parrot]

I saw the ken bigley footage and i laughed, i laughed because i never thought humans were this fucking disgusting! Those people are scum and deserve death :(


If you laughed at watching an innocent man being slaughtered this way then you really do need to see a Psychiatrist Adietdwn: :mad:

[Superfatbantam]

Adie, you really don't think sometimes. Perhaps it was a impulse reaction because if you hadn't laughed you would have cried. But in no way should any of these types of footage be linked to a humourous reaction.