Mike Newell at it again!!!

[Parrot]

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/cc_championship/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/06/11/11/manual_192517.html&TEAMHD=nationwide1

Whatever anyone thinks about the man he isn't afraid to speak his mindtup: ...The Country would benefit from a lot more people like Mike Newell instead of tip toeing around the PC minefield...He even has a dig at his Chairman, wonder what he'd make of the boardroom at VP & the Stealing committee?:eek:

He's a breath of fresh air IMO & i hope he ends up managing in the Premiership, should be interesting when his team played Bolton after his comments about agents, wonder what Allardyce Jnr would make of him?:D

[Wicker Man]

Vote newell for PM!!!! i would

[Skeptic]

Nope, im afraid i disagree, he's gone down in my estimations big time.

He's basically throwing a tantrum because a female linesman failed to award his side a penalty. Is he somehow saying that women are less capable of refereeing a football match?

They have the same training as male officials, they have to make the same grades and qualifying criteria, they have to work their way up the ladder, in practise if they have had the same training as male officials then they have the same capabilities and refereeing knowledge.

So if female referees have passed the same training as male referees, is he somehow implying that women don't have the emotional stability to referee a football match and that when faced with a tough choice they will mentally break down and act on emotion and not reason?

If women can join the army and handle full fledged combat, im pretty sure they are capable of acting as an official in a football match. Congratulations Mike Newell, stand up and take a bow, you have become my idiot of the week.

Can anyone on here actually tell me why women shouldn't be able to referee a football match?

[bg]

if she made a wrong decision he is entitled to comment; however to attack her for being a woman is wrong. That is not political correctness, that is about equality and justice. Women cannot compete with men on the football field like for like. The womans game is still behind the mens for pace and skill. Nevertheless, I watch week in and week out unfit linesmen and ref's puffing their way round the football field, making some appauling mistakes do I say that all male ref's and linesmen should be banned from the game???

She is like all the rest of them............ prone to error............to single out her gender as the problem is sexist which he doesn't deny, he gets points from me for that. However, to hold it up as some kind of badge of honour in order to gain favour with men who share similar beliefs is a sign of a coward in my view.

[Yeadon Bantam]

BG i think he is anything but a coward, i think you should re think that statement!

[bg]

I don't need to re-think it Bull Bantam; anybody who plays up 'their' problem in order tap into what he knows will go down well with a minority on the terraces is a coward. I can fully understand his annoyance about not being awarded a pen we have all been there; however to attack a woman official not for her decision but because of her gender is cowardice beyond belief. To advertise the fact that you have a problem and hold it up as some kind badge of honour in order to curry favour with men and women on the terraces who have similar beliefs is the lowest of the low. He may well think that women should not be seen on a football pitch unless they are getting their tops off; but please don't hold it up to try and convince me he is standing up for anti-politically correct groupings. He talks about tokenism, when clearly it is not. The fact we don't have more female officials is down to morons like him. BTW the primeval swap is that way:mad:

[Yeadon Bantam]

I don't see how speaking your mind is cowardice, i don't agree with his opinion but he shouldn't be slammed for saying his mind, even if people disagree.
He said it and wasn't afraid to say it, i think you are thinking he is making it political and making a bigger issue of it, it is his OWN opinion and what HE thinks in general......... he was man enough to say it....

[London Bantam]

Fair enough, she made a mistake. But in my opinion, women should not referee in men's football.

[Yeadon Bantam]

I wouldn't mind if they could take the pressure, but most of them wouldn't be able to handle all the chants and remarks made to them!

[bg]

you are talking bollocks Bull and you know it. He is not afraid to say it................please give me a break. He is all over the place. If he genuinely thinks that women are making worse decisions than men on the football field he had better come up with some stats that prove his point.........other than that he is spouting his sexist beliefs to an audience where he can get some comfort and targeting a female in order to do it.........now in my book that is cowardice. That is not using free speech in a responsible way, yes with free speech comes responsibility. That is voicing your frustrations and politics all in one emotional outburst. Maybe it his time of the month who knows:eek:

Bull I have been going to football matches long before you were even a twinkle. I have heard it all before.....yak yak yak......'women can't take the chants' 'they will just whinge and whine' etc etc., We here alot about 'kicking racism out of football' I know we will have reached a civilised era when we have 'lets kick sexism out of football'

London; like I have said you have to back your augments up with logic and facts rather than make wide sweeping statements. It is like saying that all Sikhs should not be involved in football, without evidence to prove why...........there are no givens.

[lee]

I agree to some extent with Newell because to make competent decisions most of the time you need to have experienced playing football at the same level, to make the most sensible decision in a certain situation.

This therefore rules women out of officialling games, however it also rules out most men as well. It's a shame more ex-players aren't tempted into refereeing, but I spose they will all have their own loyalties etc. which would make them ineligable.

[London Bantam]

London; like I have said you have to back your augments up with logic and facts rather than make wide sweeping statements. It is like saying that all Sikhs should not be involved in football, without evidence to prove why...........there are no givens.

Evidence has got nothing to do with it BG. I just thinks it's a 'conflict of interest' that women should referee and officiate men's matches. Do you think women should play in the premier league too? The two sides of the sport are seperated for the benefit of the game in my opinion. I'm wouldn't say I was sexist but I just feel that way about the situation in football

[bg]

we are not talking about playing football, we are discussing officiating at football matches. In my view women go through the same training as men, as Skeptic has so eloquently explained. Therefore, they can do exactly the same job as men. It requires fitness, knowledge of the game, knowledge of the rules, and a modicum on common sense. Now does anybody want to argue with me that women are not up to these qualities?

Lee mentioned he would prefer people who have played football to officiate at games, which would rule out good deal of men as well. I have heard this argument before and it has some merit. Lee is not arguing from a sexist point of view but from the point of view of quality. You then get in the realms of at what level should they have played; women also play.

what conflict of interest??

[Yeadon Bantam]

we are not talking about playing football, we are discussing officiating at football matches. In my view women go through the same training as men, as Skeptic has so eloquently explained. Therefore, they can do exactly the same job as men. It requires fitness, knowledge of the game, knowledge of the rules, and a modicum on common sense. Now does anybody want to argue with me that women are not up to these qualities?

Lee mentioned he would prefer people who have played football to officiate at games, which would rule out good deal of men as well. I have heard this argument before and it has some merit. Lee is not arguing from a sexist point of view but from the point of view of quality. You then get in the realms of at what level should they have played; women also play.

what conflict of interest??

Women don't know the offside rule!

And am i not entitled to my opinion without it being shouted down as bollocks?

[Zonnebloem]

Women don't know the offside rule!

And am i not entitled to my opinion without it being shouted down as bollocks?


I think a person, male or female, who has passed all the relevant exams about the rules of the game does understand the offside rule as well as all the other laws of the game. Your post was quite funny as one of the most self-defeating bollocks posts possible.

Other arguments may come into play here but you defeated your own perfectly.

[matnab]

Unless she was wearing high heels, or her handbag prevented her raising her flag, both of whiich I doubt, then the only reason I can see why a woman shouldn't officiate in games is if they can't keep up with the speed of play. As I'm fairly sure that she would have to pass the same standard of physical test as any man then I can't see a problem.

One issue, which has been scientifically proved, is that women in general don't have the same spacial awareness (if thats the right term) or hand eye co-ordination as men. Clearley this wasn't the issue for a penalty appeal.

I have no problem with women officials, but god knows I have a problem with the standard of officials in general!!

Bit of a boob from Mr Newell on this one.

[wykie]

Unless she was wearing high heels, or her handbag prevented her raising her flag, both of whiich I doubt, then the only reason I can see why a woman shouldn't officiate in games is if they can't keep up with the speed of play. As I'm fairly sure that she would have to pass the same standard of physical test as any man then I can't see a problem.

One issue, which has been scientifically proved, is that women in general don't have the same spacial awareness (if thats the right term) or hand eye co-ordination as men. Clearley this wasn't the issue for a penalty appeal.

I have no problem with women officials, but god knows I have a problem with the standard of officials in general!!

Bit of a boob from Mr Newell on this one.

Well said the handbag and highheels came straight to mind but if she can run as long and as fast as the rules require fine just the PMT thing to sort out oh and the clashing of colours with her kit with her hair and other lines people having the same dress on and "does my arse look big in this" otherwise no problem.tup:

[Craven Bantam]

I'd have a bit more sympathy for his views if he hadn't simply followed what is becoming a long line of managers who are blaming officials for the short comings of their teams. It seems it's always someone else's fault when the team loses and more often that not the officials.

At least Toddy blames his players !!

This week we had the ridiculous sight of David Moyes at Everton defending his player who had sworn at the official and was sent off. At the other end of the scale did you see the odious Newport County manager barging into the ref while being sent to the stands and failing to condemn the nutter whose coin hit the linesman resulting in 7 stitches.

Until the FA get a grip on this the respect for officials will continue to decline and we will see more objects thrown at liners.

[BaselBantam]

Footballer - "What was that for Ref?"
Female Ref - "You should know, and if you don't then I'm not telling you" ;)

[Loyalish2]

'Do you you prefer the red one or the blue one?'

'Does my my bum look big in this?'

'Ooh, I love football me, that David Beckham's gorgeous.'

'I'm not bothered, what do YOU want to do?'

Pah, women are lily livered sheeitehawks that fold like a pack of cards and fall to pieces under pressure, FACT!

Newell's right, women should stick to what they know best. And in my case that's two sugars, don't put a crease in me jeans and I like my bacon crispy. Sorted!

[Skeptic]

'Evidence has got nothing to do with it BG. I just thinks it's a 'conflict of interest' that women should referee and officiate men's matches. Do you think women should play in the premier league too? The two sides of the sport are seperated for the benefit of the game in my opinion.'


Absalutely absurd. Your implying that playing a game of football is the same as officiating a game of football. I'd say that women should be able to referee male professional boxing bouts, i certainly wouldn't say they should fight in boxing bouts with men though.

Lets lay down the facts, for the most part men are a lot physically stronger than women, this is why women cannot play in a professional football league, there is no other reason bar this. Physical strength does not come into refereeing a football match, as far as im concerned women are just as mentally capable as men, as long as a woman can run then she can referee a game of football.

[London Bantam]

fair enough

[Tarty]

Wonder how the "emergency meeting" went at Luton. They called it for 4pm today

[tony d]

Women should ref in womens football...

Nothing sexist about that at all....That's why it is mens football...

They have their own Premier League and sub leagues....Why should they ref in ours....

You can bang your gums all you want but to say it's the same as someone saying all Sikhs shouldn't play is pure stupid.....

Now i agree all women Sikhs shouldn't ref mens football..But if they want to play womens footy or ref it thats also fine...

Women intergrating into blokes sports is just another sign things are tits up in the world...


Now pull your knickers up and get the kettle on there's a good girl...:D

[London Bantam]

I like this publicity Tonytup:

At least we agree on something jump:

[beerbantam]

Luton boss Mike Newell has hit back at the critics who attacked him for his remarks on female officials.
Newell this week apologised to assistant referee Amy Rayner after claiming last Saturday that the appointment of split-arsed officials amounted to "tokenism for politically-correct idiots" following his team's home defeat by QPR in the Coca-Cola Championship.
The 41-year-old was criticised heavily for his views, but he sought to clarify his position in his programme notes for tomorrow's match against Derby.
"It is critical that people understand my true values," Newell wrote. "I did not say there was no place for women in football, of course we all love the half time totty found at most football grounds.
"I never said women should not be allowed to play for or support football teams, and I never actually said women should not be able to officiate, although they will never be as good as men.
"I am open to criticism, and I will never shy away from it. I have heard the debates and the condemnation all week without responding.
"For those people who do not know me personally, and have labelled me prehistoric, a caveman and a bigot and a Scouse wanker, can I ask you this?
"Is it sexist to have traditional values? Values such as holding a door open for a woman, helping a mother with a pushchair off a train or up an escalator, expecting my tea on the table on arrival home from work,worrying what time my daughter will be home and whether she is escorted, buying flowers and paying for dinner, getting a blow job on a sunday morning.
"If all of these are sexist and prehistoric, then I am guilty of them all.";)

[Parrot]

Im sure the split arses wouldn't be so equal if they were on a sinking ship & someone said men & children first on the lifeboats, women last!...They'd soon remember they were the feminine one's:rolleyes: tup:

Cant have it both ways girls......but least you try:D

[Garlic Breath]

Borat said that women have smaller brains than men....I tend to agree.
Most I have met did'nt have a brain at all.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cumbria/features/2003/talking_teenagers/images/harry_enfield_203.jpg
Women.....know your limits!!

[tony d]

Yeah, whinging gits that they are....

Why do they moan about us not putting the toilet seat down????

We don't whinge that the ungrateful beeeeeeatches don't lift it for us do we!!!

They love equality until it doesn't work for them don't they...

They even have girls in the boy fooking scouts.....The clue is in the fooking name girls.....

Women are the root evil in all that is PC gone mad....

Get em back in the kitchens and bedrooms where they belong.

[mrsjdtobe]

roflmao: agreed tup: i would gladly swap working for a life at home!!! offers??? lol

[Garlic Breath]

Move in with Rubber Johnnie.......you know it makes sense.:D
Dunno what Big Nige would make of it all though:rolleyes:

[citygirl]

roflmao: agreed tup: i would gladly swap working for a life at home!!! offers??? lol

i'll swap with ya hun :)

i could do your job, no probs tup:

[mrsjdtobe]

Thing is though CG, I couldn't do yours!!! lol...I have a social conscience ;) I don't know why!!!

[citygirl]

so have i :)

so much so, that i've been extremely tied up for the past 18 years preparing four very social people for the outside world, 2 of whom have very satisfying and contributory lives as adults :)

a very satisfying contribution so far for me :)

[mrsjdtobe]

jump: jump: jump: jump: jump:

Congratulations!!! As long as you're pleased with yourself! ;)
And congratulations to those mums that prepare very social people for the 'outside world' whilst working at the same time!!! :p

How do you find time to fit us in on here??? It must be a struggle!!!

[citygirl]

jump: jump: jump: jump: jump:

Congratulations!!! As long as you're pleased with yourself! ;)
And congratulations to those mums that prepare very social people for the 'outside world' whilst working at the same time!!! :p

How do you find time to fit us in on here??? It must be a struggle!!!

not sure of the level of sarcasm in that last bit :confused:...but you'll notice that i don't post that often on here anyway...but yep, i agree...well done to those who manage to split their time between work and their families..this is the whole reason that i work from home, so i can give my family as much as i can, but can also pay my dues back.

is this what this has turned into?, a full blown discussion on the merits of working/parenting :)

would love to have a more in-depth chat, but i doubt they'd appreciate their "mike newell is brilliant" thread being invaded by a bunch of women singing the praises of women, working or otherwise...

but just on the subject of parenting, having started my adult years very early in life, i didn't get much of a "childhood", even so, i don't use that as an "excuse" to bring my own kids up badly...my 2 eldest children sailed through school without causing the teachers too much grief, and not ever having to be "spoken to" by the police...they were brought up on canterbury, so i'm sure you'll appreciate the chances of things having turned out much worse were very high...so yes, i pride myself on that tup: